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San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update!
    #4017836 - 04/05/05 04:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I saw my first San Pedro seeds 71 days ago. I'm a 100% noob on growing anything from anything.











Here is my grow log. I've been on vacation for 10days so I don't exactly know when most of the seedlings turned brown, but it happened a few days ago.

Here is how most of them look at the moment:





This was 20 days ago:






The soil was a bit dry when I came back. The seedlings are not placed in direct sunlight; there is a thin white paper between the sun and the seedlings.

What can be the cause of the brown seedlings? Will they survive? What do I have to do to help them survive and become green again? I read as much as I could before posting this question, but I couldn't find any good information. Thanks for your help!


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4018331 - 04/05/05 07:20 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

one problem is that you have been keeping the soil oversaturated.
no algae should be growing in there.

another problem, the one that possibly caused the brown, may be that light. how close are you keeping that light to the seedlings?

a flourescent light is much better for seedlings. flouros don't burn tender seedlings like other bulbs do.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4018383 - 04/05/05 07:33 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm no expert, but your soil is covered with green algae, I think that means you've got too much humidity. Do you open the tray every day or have holes in the top so they can breathe? I've read that they hate stagnant air.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: rewind]
    #4018399 - 04/05/05 07:38 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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green algae




I had the same problem with mine and it was cause the soil was way to wet and there was too much humidity..so what i did was cut out the small algae patch from the soil a few months ago and cut back on the spraying it has never came back..

As for the brown little seedlings i have a few of those also im not sure what causes that to happen..


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Dety]
    #4018427 - 04/05/05 07:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: faslimy]
    #4018920 - 04/05/05 10:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Try to give those seedlings more light. They look too stretched to me.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: eric_the_red]
    #4020193 - 04/06/05 04:02 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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one problem is that you have been keeping the soil oversaturated.
no algae should be growing in there.

another problem, the one that possibly caused the brown, may be that light. how close are you keeping that light to the seedlings?

a fluorescent light is much better for seedlings. flouros don't burn tender seedlings like other bulbs do.




Should I try to remove the algae? Are they dangerous for the seedlings? or is it just a sign of over-saturation? Is there a easy way to know how much water I should give them?

That light bulb was just for the heat, it was close to freezing sometimes and that's why I put a 15W light bulb in. I used a fluorescent lamp for the light, now I use the sun(not direct sun light). The temperatures are better now so I removed the 'heat' bulb.

I think I will move the seedlings to a place where the sun doesn't shine and start using a fluorescent lamp again.

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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: rewind]
    #4020202 - 04/06/05 04:06 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm no expert, but your soil is covered with green algae, I think that means you've got too much humidity. Do you open the tray every day or have holes in the top so they can breathe? I've read that they hate stagnant air.



It has holes on top and I open the tray almost every day.

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As for the brown little seedlings i have a few of those also im not sure what causes that to happen..



Do you put your seedlings in direct sunlight?

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No, they get enough fresh air.

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Try to give those seedlings more light. They look too stretched to me.




Can I put them in direct sunlight? I thought the brown color was some sort of sunburn.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4021540 - 04/06/05 02:14 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Do not give them more light. Brown means too much light so give them less. Also, let them dry out between waterings before they rot.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #4021622 - 04/06/05 02:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Ok. Thank you very much!


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4024012 - 04/07/05 12:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

No, red to black means too much light.

Brown spots indicate other problems. Too much light would cause consistent browning, if anything.

The seedlings are too tall and too light green. More light would go a long way towards dealing with mold, fungus, and other contaminants.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: nookjohn]
    #4024428 - 04/07/05 02:30 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Can I put them in direct sunlight?


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4024433 - 04/07/05 02:32 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

only if you want roasted cactus seedlings.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: eric_the_red]
    #4024971 - 04/07/05 06:21 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

No, seedlings cannot handle direct sunlight. They usually need about a year to handle that much light. I gotta agree with Stoney it looks like they're gettin too much light, red to reddish-brown indicates that. A diluted H2O2 solution will kill the algae on the surface and still be ok for the seedlings. Don't keep things too soaked, make sure those roots can breath a little bit. :smile:


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Maverik]
    #4025612 - 04/07/05 12:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the advice eric and Maverik! I use a fluorescent lamp now, out of the sun and won't water them too much.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Maverik]
    #4030255 - 04/08/05 12:11 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If seedlings can't handle sunlight, how do they grow in nature? Do they only start growing in the shade?


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #4030786 - 04/08/05 02:30 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

That's what I was thinking. I guess they have to be very lucky and most of them die.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4031208 - 04/08/05 04:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, think about it they grow in small micro-climates around the base of larger plants>

therefore, they get shade, cooler temps, and higher humidity.
just what you want to recreate at your home> except inside you are mother nature, and you can make an even more perfect condition.

but the best way to learn is to mess up.
it will ensure you never do it wrong again,, and you can study what you did wrong, and most important you can see signs of problems more easily next time.

people who are lucky and only have healthy plants, have a harder time identifying problems, and are less adept at dealing with them. as opposed to people who have had and dealt with problems.

this will help you in the long run.^ learning experience.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4032252 - 04/08/05 09:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I guess they have to be very lucky and most of them die.




bingo.

cacti can drop hundreds of seeds every time they flower, but i have yet to see one cactus with hundreds of seedlings growing around it in the wild.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: eric_the_red]
    #4307476 - 06/17/05 02:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks all!

They are doing perfect now!












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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4309601 - 06/18/05 01:09 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome. :laugh:


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Maverik]
    #4310829 - 06/18/05 02:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Great close up shots!  I've got some T. Peruvianus seedlings poking their head out of the soil right now  :laugh:


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: SuperD]
    #4312788 - 06/19/05 02:54 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Oh awesome, i have some loph seeds, bridgessi seeds and im going to get some peruvian and pedro seeds too hopefully, then when summer comes, they are all getting planted :laugh:


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    #4313143 - 06/19/05 06:44 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4313200 - 06/19/05 08:12 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

aint NOTHING wrong with those seedlings :laugh:


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    #4313315 - 06/19/05 10:37 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

They look perfect! Once they get that big, it gets a lot easier to take care for...


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    #4319562 - 06/21/05 03:37 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

:smile:

It's amazing how they recovered from the sunburn. It's fun to grow from seeds, but it does take a lot of time before they have a serious size.


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Re: What is wrong with my San Pedro seedlings? [Re: Annom]
    #4668737 - 09/16/05 07:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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San Pedro from seeds growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5631431 - 05/15/06 07:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

day 400:











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Re: San Pedro from seeds growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5631611 - 05/15/06 10:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

My seedlings can handle about 3 to 4 hours of direct sunlight and they are pretty green.


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    #5631614 - 05/15/06 10:11 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

How old are they?


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Re: San Pedro from seeds growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5631629 - 05/15/06 10:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

They sprouted about 2 months ago. The only thing protecting them is a transparent tupperware plastic.


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5631664 - 05/15/06 10:40 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Is it me or do they look a bit more like peruvianus?


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Re: San Pedro from seeds growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5631675 - 05/15/06 10:44 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Are you still keeping yours under fluros after 400+ days?


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5631732 - 05/15/06 11:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Is it me or do they look a bit more like peruvianus?




I don't know, they look like Trichocereus pachanoi to me, but I'm not an expert.

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Are you still keeping yours under fluros after 400+ days?




They are in my room and don't get direct sunlight.


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Re: San Pedro from seeds growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5632592 - 05/15/06 03:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

mmm magical spiny cucumber..  pay it forward :smile: ahah


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5632986 - 05/15/06 04:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

When you decide to transfer over to direct sunlight, you will either have to build the amount of time or just start in early spring when the sun isn't to strong.


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5633009 - 05/15/06 04:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, thanks for the advice! :thumbup:


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5633549 - 05/15/06 06:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

To me the spines look too long for those to be san pedro.


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5633806 - 05/15/06 07:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

All young Trichocereus seedlings have spines that long. San Pedro is a redundant name for a short spined variety cloned and sold in USA. You can have a batch of seeds and get many different looking plants, some with long spines some short but the true features will not show until you get them in sunlight and allow them to mature.

You simply cannot replicate a 'San Pedro' plant by growing from 'T pachanoi' seed. To create seed you need 2 different plants (say a short spined and a long spined plant) to fertilise each other usually the long spined traits are most dominant in the next generation. blah blah hope that makes sense


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5633843 - 05/15/06 07:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I bought the kit from an online dutch smartshop.


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5978314 - 08/19/06 02:22 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Time for an update!

1.5 years have passed since I sowed the seeds.

I didn't treat them well the last few months so they didn't grow as much as they could have, they are still alive though. I place them in little pots. There is not much sunlight coming in my room because it's at the north side of the house and there are large trees outside blocking the sun. I can put them outside but I'm scared they will burn in the sun there. 9 of the 24 seeds have become real cacti :smile:

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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: Annom]
    #5978363 - 08/19/06 02:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Beautiful,thanks for the update.My seedlings are a few months old and havnt grown much.I think they may have stalled out something.


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5978381 - 08/19/06 02:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure if you can see the size of the seedlings in my pictures, but they are only about 1.5inch high.


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    #5978387 - 08/19/06 02:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

They seemed a bit larger.Either way,mine are still nowhere near that size.

They are still the size they were when they first sprouted.I didnt sterilize the soil before hand.Maybe this has something to do with it?


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    #5979518 - 08/19/06 10:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Very nice annom! Mine are just about as old as yours, if not a little older. Only one of them is the size of yours, with all the others just a little bit behind. There's a recent thread with pics. Growing from seed is the only way to grow. :smile:


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    #5979530 - 08/19/06 10:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Have you thought about grafting any of them?


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Re: San Pedro from seeds - growlog - pic update! [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5981296 - 08/20/06 01:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Graft them on what? Pereskiopsis?


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    #5981367 - 08/20/06 02:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Or a Myrt or whatever you prefer.


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    #5981387 - 08/20/06 02:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't prefer anything because I never grafted anything on anything  :grin:

Can Pereskiopsis support a Pachanoi?


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    #5981632 - 08/20/06 04:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It will support it for a season or 2.

12" or so but maybe more if it doesn't get top heavy or has support.


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