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5 grams too much for 3rd trip?
    #4013974 - 04/04/05 08:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hi guys, im goinna pick up an ounce of mush with some friends and i was woundering the best way to store them for long periods of time and if 5 grams was too much for my 3rd trip? i can eat 3.5 then go from there if thats the best idea...thanks bye


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: batman78239]
    #4014154 - 04/04/05 09:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If 3.5 is the most you've done, I suggest you do 4 or 4.5. But if you're really comfortable, go ahead with 5. It's quite the nuts experience.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: MeThoD]
    #4014177 - 04/04/05 09:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You should work your way up. If you're buying an ounce then you can dose higher in the future.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: Dankman]
    #4015092 - 04/05/05 12:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i dunno man, i did 3.5g for my first trip, i then did 5.5g for my next trip :P haha, depends on if you can handle it, if you think you can i'd do it, i thought i could handle it and it worked :smile:. I then proceeded to do another 5g next trip then 7g next trip, soon to be 10g :o.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: notorious1]
    #4015657 - 04/05/05 03:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

5 grams is perfect for your 3rd trip. one heroic dose -5 grams dried- alone, in a silent dark room. this is the trip. really. try it. it will blow the top off. 3rd trip, yeah, you've had some experience but not enough to think you know what to expect. take the heavy dose before you start to get too comfortable with you're knowledge of triping and it will hit you in an astounding way.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: batman78239]
    #4015763 - 04/05/05 04:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'd eat 3.5 again..  :thumbup:
If you've never gone that high do it.
Trips are different each time no matter if the dose is the same.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: batman78239] * 1
    #4015893 - 04/05/05 06:24 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

5 grams? Just don't go there.

Your first 10-20 trips the complexity of a trip on the SAME dose will vastly increase. At the same time you will be building a TRUST relationship with the psychedelic state which is precious should you ever get in a bad/difficult trip.

Higher doses have a tendency to be more confusing and more intense and many people react to that by ending up in a bad/difficult trip which can be excruciating.

As a veteran of 100+ trips in 12+ years of tripping, having done 12 grams and having done 0.25gr I would say its WAY to early to go higher, kid :grin:

If you were substantially high I even want to invite you to take HALF the amount you're used to and dose around that the upcoming 10-20 trips. Don't listen to me, listen to Erowid:

Oral P. cubensis Dosages
Threshold  .25 g 1/100 oz
Light .25 - 1 g 1/100 - 1/28oz
Common 1 - 2.5 g 1/28 - 1/10oz
Strong 2.5 - 5 g 1/10 - 1/6oz
Heavy     5 + g      1/4oz +

If the "common" dose is 1-2.5 grams then there's a GOOD reason for that. For most people if they always waited an average two months between their trips the .25-2.5 gram range would be all they ever needed. If you check "the great mushroom poll" in Trip Tips you'll see that even though most people use 3-3.5gr they recommend 2gr at most for a newbie. And that, kind sir, is you :thumbup:

I dare call myself a veteran and nowadays (having seen up to 12 grams) I rarely dose outside the 0.25-1gr window if they are strong and 0.5-2gr if they are average and thats sometimes 1/50 of what I have taken before, yet I arrive at a satisfactory exxperience because I *work* the trip and not just let it happen.
With mushrooms it's not "the more the merrier" but rather "how low can you go?"


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: Asante]
    #4020245 - 04/06/05 04:23 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

id recommend working your way up, 4.5ish


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: Asante]
    #4020342 - 04/06/05 05:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

First, I agree with just about everything Wiccan_Seeker says. But I have a question.

Suppose you take a common (e.g. 2g) dose several times--and it seems like the meaning of the universe starts to open up. Naturally this is qoing to raise questions one is eager to explore further. Clearly some of these must be answered in ordinary life. But to they extent that they aren't, would one really want to wait 2 or 2 1/2 months before learning more?


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: wjames]
    #4022696 - 04/06/05 08:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Most shroomerites arrive at a 6x/year average, but most do so after one or a few binges and I find that these permanently inhibit the profundity of subsequent experiences: call it "loss of magic". In many stories I also see that once the high doses start, the really difficult trips start and that they are there to be resolved, which means that until you do you can have an excruciating trip on a tiny amount.
Psychedelics are non-linear.

Very few excursions on the wildside are OK in my view but the goal should be once in MONTHS, not weeks. Those with short intervals often either quit it fast or get bored and start doing monster doses, and worse yet, advising them to newbies.

Five grams can open the Universe for you in a lifechanging trip that lasts you a year of fulfillment before imbiding again, or it can enhance the fun of watching the Ninja Turtles on a boring afternoon.
The first is the experience of those who tripped moderately with long intervals for quite some time, the second all too often happens to the frequent high doser. A hefty tolerance on Inner Profundity can't be a good thing :shocked:

Most people gravitate towards using once every X months. I'm trying to prevent the preceding binging that may snuff the brightness out of even the high doses. You take twenty lessons in the simulator before you get to fly the plane, same thing with responsible mushroom use.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: Asante]
    #4022699 - 04/06/05 08:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

5g aint bad.

I'd do 5g right now if I had it, and I've only tripped 5 times.\

I dunno about taking .25-1g. I won't feel anything unless I take 2g or so. Even then its weak and just makes me feel almost drunk, zomby-ish. The lowest dose I'd prefer to take is 3g-3.5g, but the next time I trip (which will be from shrooms I grow) im doing 5-6g.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: MycoJunkie]
    #4022717 - 04/06/05 08:06 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd do 5g right now if I had it, and I've only tripped 5 times.




5 grams don't do 1% of what it will do after you've had 50 trips with long intervals. Should you choose to be a frequent high flyer you might miss out on those 99% for good.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: Asante]
    #4023303 - 04/06/05 09:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Wiccan, I think that the mindset and what you go in to the trip expecting will more determine what you get out of it, not the dose. I do understand though that doing it often will lose the magic and make it more of just a fun thing, than a mindblowing spiritual experience, it all depends on what the person is looking for.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: PFloyd]
    #4023509 - 04/06/05 10:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I havn't tripped since last August.
My uncle gave me about 1.5-2g of shrooms about a month ago, but they really didnt do much. Just zombied me out, no visuals or anything. It was kind of useless. I'd much more prefer to do 3 or 3.5 g and see some wavy trees/plants and shadow faces and stuff.


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: batman78239]
    #4023515 - 04/06/05 10:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i say do what YOU feel like.

if you are confident that you can handle it, i say go for it but take those necessary precautions (comfortable mindset, good setting, trip sitter).

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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: Snip]
    #4023638 - 04/06/05 11:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Snip said:
i say do what YOU feel like.

if you are confident that you can handle it, i say go for it but take those necessary precautions (comfortable mindset, good setting, trip sitter).

stay safe man




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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: MycoJunkie]
    #4024230 - 04/07/05 01:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

  I have to refer to Terence McKenna, the originator of the strain penis envy: He says to do more than you think you should, less often than you think you should. He recommends 5 dry grams, ever 2 or 3 months. I think that's great advice.

  My own thoughts; any trip can wind up being difficult. Higher doses tend to blast you out of yourself, you're personal hang-ups are much harder to focus on, as you are existing more collectively. There are plenty of hang-ups left for you to experience, but they are less petty, and focus more on the human relationship with our planet...  My personal opinion, is that higher doses, though more traumatic on the ego, and the psyche are the way to go. My highest dose ever was 80g wet. I have done 1 7g dry dose, and a few 5g doses. I've done 20-30 lower doses around 1/8. I would say that lower doses are great for learning about yourself, and higher doses are great for learning about the earth, and the multiverse. I think sticking to your comfort level is key. If you wanna go for 5 do it. You'll come down by the morning either way :wink:


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: Kalix]
    #4025123 - 04/07/05 08:55 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I dont think its just the intervals or the dose. I think ithas a lot to do with having experience with mushies that really allows you to appreciate and get the most out of your trip :smile:


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: spazkaz]
    #4025613 - 04/07/05 12:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mycojunkie you should listen to wiccan.. unless.. which it sounds like you have a bit of a tolerence.. I used to chew 1\8 all the time I'd get really fucked but I think i have a pretty low tolerence... anyway the point is now.. 20-30+ trips later.. I chew 1.5 and get fucked out of my face..


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Re: 5 grams too much for 3rd trip? [Re: spazkaz]
    #4025771 - 04/07/05 12:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I dont think its just the intervals or the dose. I think ithas a lot to do with having experience with mushies that really allows you to appreciate and get the most out of your trip :smile:




WRONG! If you take shrooms in short intervals then you start to take it for granted. Take it from me!

Listen to everything Wiccan says (on this topic at least).

Last year I tripped AT LEAST every other weekend, but more often it was every weekend. After a while it loses it's novelty and is more of a burden then a joy. I haven't tripped since the end of November 2004, except for a very VERY low dose of hoasca that didn't do much. I plan on tripping again during at the end of May.

I have been tripping for two years now, and consider myself pretty seasoned. I didn't go over the 3.5g mark until this last summer. I ate 5g and it was fucking cool.

But I spent so much time at 3.5g that when I finally got to 5g I knew how to properly explore it and get something helpful out of the experiance. I was talking to entities that were manifestations of my psychological archetypes and all kinds of crazy shit, but I DIRECTED it in that direction!

You could probably eat 5g and be fine, you might also flip out. But either way you would be jumping into the deep end when you still should be wearing the orange arm-floaty-thingies. You would probably just be so blown away that you will just come out confused and not know what to make of your experiance.

I suggest tripping no more than once every month (or two) and staying at 3.5g for at least a couple more trips. If you insist on upping your dose, do so in 0.5g increments.

Patience will be rewarded in the end. Haste will bring about your downfall.

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