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Mexico on the brink
    #4012682 - 04/04/05 02:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)


http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4386


Mexico on the brink
April 4th, 2005


CIA director Porter Goss wasn't kidding when he put Mexico in with Venezuela, Haiti, Bolivia and Nicaragua as the most unstable countries in the hemisphere. Right now, the potentially dangerous development is political, and may affect us very tangibly in the U.S.

Here is the political rundown:

Like much of Latin America, there is a terrible leadership deficit in Mexico. One thing's for sure - the next President of Mexico probably won't come from President Vicente Fox's PAN party in the 2006 presidential election. Fox has been nothing but a disappointment to Mexico's voters - 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss' - is a common assessment among Mexicans.

Fox won the election five years ago promising to change Mexico, but has done very little to change anything. Few free market reforms were undertaken, scant new jobs were created, and in the grating dynamic of "reforms" as they are executed by such 'third-way' regimes, GDP went up in low single digits, based on the production of a few big companies and government spending. New small companies were never formed. The renewed mercantilism - or, in Latin America, the term is 'corporate state' - in turn made the rich richer and the poor poorer.

And angrier.

There were some bright spots in Mexico's economy for the already-rich or skilled during the Fox years, but most poor Mexicans remained shut out of the system. Lip service was paid to reforms, but new opportunity for the poor was not the focus, and the jobs were not delivered to those who needed them most. In Mexico, that group comprises the majority.

As a substitute for reform, Fox encouraged Mexicans to skip over the border to the U.S., to take up life as illegal aliens - and send dollars back to Mexico. Ten percent of Mexican voters now live in the U.S. legally or illegally, but they account for fifty percent of Mexico's purchasing power. And they send home enough billions in foreign exchange to make the government in Mexico very comfortable indeed. The Interamerican Development Bank says they sent home $16.6 billion in 2004, up from $10.5 billion in 2000, the year Fox was elected. Fox has called these people 'heroes' - encouraging U.S. banks to accept Mexican identification cards to ease money transfers in 2002 and permitting his government to print out booklets advising Mexicans how to get over the border illegally but safely by 2005.

But it's no life to be an illegal alien. If you have ever seen the movie El Norte about the plight of Guatemalan illegal aliens in Los Angeles, you will understand why. The poverty, the exploitation by the migrant rackets, the permanent underclass status, the ease with which aliens can lose everything they've worked to build if they are apprehended by law enforcement is heartbreaking. These people are helpless.

Not only that, in the case of Mexico, there are whole villages whose only residents are women and children - all of the men have gone to the U.S. to work illegally - so the children grow up fatherless. This is a huge price to pay just to get a job. No one should be driven by circumstances to do this. And to have a cynical government encouraging this kind of life so it can benefit by the dollar remittances, which beef up foreign exchange reserves and permit the government to finance itself without having to worry about growing the tax base, is an outrage.

So what do you do if you are a Mexican voter, soon to be offered a choice of three candidates for election, one from the old discredited PRI that ruled and ruined Mexico for 70 years, one from the disappointing new third-way PAN that openly wants you to flee your homeland, abandon your family and send home dollars, or one from a third party in the wings, the ultra-left PRD party, which has a charismatic mayor of Mexico City running for election on a "stand up for the poor" platform of soup-kitchen spending and sticking it to the U.S.?

Meanwhile, there's nobody comparable to an American Republican. There are no wealth-creators, no Reagans; there are only these three socialist candidates as your presidential choices.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that you pick that third candidate if you are a Mexican.

And this reality makes everyone - the other two Mexican parties, the U.S., and the rest of Latin America blanch. For Mexico, the high welfare spending should kill off all potential job growth for everyone except party bureaucrats. For the U.S., there's a potential Hugo Chavez on its border, one who's already talking about an oil alliance with Venezuela. Oil supplier number three teaming up with oil supplier number four to stick it to the gringos sounds like $105 a barrel oil already. For Latin America, there's one more demagogue ready to retard the region's growth by destroying Latin America's largest economy. The danger is obvious to everyone.

But so is the solution. Right now, Mexico's two other parties, PAN and PRI, have conducted legal maneuvers to knock this third-party leftist Mexican mayor out of the presidential race. They are prosecuting him over some road violation, a very trivial technicality. And that's pushed his popularity from 27% to 37% in the three-way race already.

They just may succeed in torpedoing his candidacy, but they aren't fooling anyone into thinking it's just because they are interested in law and order. By behaving this way, they are making Mexico's bitter, fed-up population even angrier. It amounts to an insult to democracy and contempt for their wishes. It may easily lead to civil unrest, something which may be even worse than a Hugo Chavez at our border.

What happens when a political establishment tries to poison its Yushchenko? Exile its Dalai Lama? Jail its Lech Walesa? The reality is, he comes back stronger. That's what's about to happen in Mexico. Be warned.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Edited by lonestar2004 (04/04/05 02:56 PM)


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4012687 - 04/04/05 02:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i guess Chavez is the new Hero in Latin America.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4012966 - 04/04/05 04:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That is an interesting article. I don't read up much about Mexico, and I really don't have an idea what the solution is. You have to wonder why Oil has been such a curse on so many countries.

I hope that we can change that in Iraq.

I think that Chavez is going to take his country right down the shitter.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4013504 - 04/04/05 07:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If mexico and Venezuala jack up prices "to stick to the gringos" than the US can buy it from elsewhere.  That's free market isn't it?  Who cares if they are working together to make some western hemisphere oil compact?

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Meanwhile, there's nobody comparable to an American Republican.




yes, latin america needs some more neo-liberal free market jockeys (aka republicans) :rolleyes:.  Market colonialism is exactlky why latin America is so poor.  Their leaders sold their rescources to the highest bidder for centuries allowing .0001% of the population to become wealthy.  This guys got it all figured out.  He even called Reagen a "wealth-creator" lol

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Ten percent of Mexican voters now live in the U.S. legally or illegally, but they account for fifty percent of Mexico's purchasing power




this is a figure this guy pulled out of his ass...

mexico's 2003 GDP is $637.2 billion:  http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/eataglance1.htm


but $16 million (assuming this is the one correct fact in the article) that is supposed to come from America accounts for 50% or mexico's purchasing power, huh?


Also, Andr?s Manuel Lopez Obrador (Mexico city mayor) is hardly Hugo Chavez.  He is a populist and is charasmatic but he is not Chavez and Mexico is not Venezuela.


This guy is another alarmist conservative making generalizations about which he has no information.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4014274 - 04/04/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Why doesn't the Shroomery fund setting up a libertarian candidate for Mexico? That would probably cost us less to campaign and buy the materials than it did to free Shroomism :wink:

But seriously, if this is what's going on down there, why doesn't someone sponsor a candidate or change something? If the third parties pooled their funds, I bet they'd have a much better chance in taking power in Mexico than in the U.S., where they're against people much better economically funded.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: Ravus]
    #4014959 - 04/05/05 12:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i cross the border frequently. (i live about an hour from the border) the border towns have grown very fast over the years. desperate people come from all over Mexico to try and earn dollars. and you can get anything you want with cash. the last few years it has become more dangerous. its common now to see military personal with AK-47s standing around guarding the tourists.

the problems i see are organized drug gangs taking over large parts of Mexico, and the corruption is out of control. (everyone including the police expect bribes)


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4015262 - 04/05/05 01:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the article.

Seriously, the absolute best use of this country's tax dollars would be to build a modern day Great Wall on the border. I realize that's probably the most right wing thing I've said here, but it's true. A magnificent country doesn't gain by welcoming an invasion from a contaminated toilet of a country. Simple as that. There are hundreds of millions of people around the world who would love to come here. People who are better suited to. People willing to go through the legal gauntlet of immigration. People who don't listen to ranchero music. I think they're getting screwed over. It sickens me.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: Gijith]
    #4015468 - 04/05/05 02:15 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If they build a great wall then how are we going to get all of our cheap weed?

if you really think about it, it's not like illegals have it good here in the US...underpaid and overworked, taken advantage of by the employers here, and by the people who smuggle them.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: lackobreath]
    #4015932 - 04/05/05 06:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Mexico has a horrible economy, look at their jail system. (arguably the most currupt in the world)

The weed that comes from mexico is discusting, they are mainly concerned about the epidemic amount of imigrants comming from there.

The Canadian border is monitored much differently, aimed almost completely towards hard drugs. From what I have heard and experienced small amounts of marijuana often arent even a problem. ( I am talking 1-2 grams ) - they tend to usually throw it away.

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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: Gijith]
    #4016908 - 04/05/05 01:32 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Gijith said:
Seriously, the absolute best use of this country's tax dollars would be to build a modern day Great Wall on the border. I realize that's probably the most right wing thing I've said here, but it's true.




Yikes...Gijith leans to the Right.  Say it ain't so!!  :smirk:

I think the answer to the subject of illegal immigration should be based on economics. 

Add up all of the money we have to spend on them (border patrol + INS + police and incarceration for criminal immigrants + immigrants going to our hospitals and getting free care + etc...).  Then add up all of the benefits they give us (contributing to the economy + some of them staying and paying taxes + etc...).  Whichever makes or saves us more money is what we should craft policy around.  I think we should be absolutely ruthless in doing whatever we decide to do.  If it is determined that these immigrants are more expensive than they are worth, we should station troops on the border that shoot anything that comes over.

I really think that Bush doesn't give a shit about the border because of two reasons:

1.  He has always pandered to the Hispanics.  I think he is trying to ensure that they are comfortably in the pocket of the Republican Party much like the blacks are comfortably in the pocket of the Democratic Party.

2.  I think he is trying to get a bunch of working age Mexicans to come into the country with the hope that some will stay and pay taxes.  If enough do this, we might be able to pay for the entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc..) in the next forty years.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4017405 - 04/05/05 03:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

WHat Mexico needs is for the people of Mexico to stop acting and thinking like a bunch of Mexicans.


Learn a valuable skill of some kind instead of looking for some low wage labor job. What do these people have against knowledge anyway?


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4017495 - 04/05/05 03:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

what do you have aganist tiling floors, contsruction, and roadwork ?


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: fresh313]
    #4018314 - 04/05/05 07:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing.

It's great for people who like to work their asses off to make somebody else rich.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4018344 - 04/05/05 07:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

you can always work for yourself, and some do
there will never be a shortage of hard labor jobs
many of them are very skilled craftsmen, and thier work ethic is something for americans to aspire to

thanks for the link in your profile btw  :thumbup:


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: fresh313]
    #4018398 - 04/05/05 07:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I think that there is a tremendous untapped pool of info tech guys right here in the good ole USA who can be retrained to perform useful jobs, like tiling and hardwood flooring and painting and fruit picking. Give them something meaningful to do and there is no telling how much their self esteem will rise. Oh wait, nevermind, if their sense of self importance got any higher they'd float off into orbit and interfere with weather satellites.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4018413 - 04/05/05 07:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Mexico is fucked. Being in their global position sharing a border with the US like Canada, they should be thriving. I don't understand why Mexicans do not wonder how their country can go to shit while other places around them prosper. It seems they simply do not have the motivation to change.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: Catalysis]
    #4018483 - 04/05/05 08:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Mexicans aren't known for expending massive amounts of energy to better themselves.


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: SoopaX]
    #4018517 - 04/05/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

going to college does not make you better
a need is a need and a service is a service

tiling floors
or
building rockets for nasa

everyone needs a floor, does everyone need a spaceship
does anyone...

which one is better?


Edited by fresh313 (04/05/05 08:22 PM)


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: fresh313]
    #4018621 - 04/05/05 08:44 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

fresh313 said:
going to college does not make you better



Yes it does.

Quote:

fresh313 said:
...does everyone need a spaceship


Yes we do. :wexican:


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Re: Mexico on the brink [Re: DieCommie]
    #4018787 - 04/05/05 09:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

yes, everyone should have at least one spaceship i say.


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