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All the Lonely People
#4011652 - 04/04/05 03:12 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was thinking about this song recently:
http://www.dowingba.com/dowtunes/beatles-eleanor-rigby.mp3
I notice that alot of people feel lonely, even in the company of others (myself included). We can never fully express ourselves; so the deepest part of our souls (like the deepest parts of the ocean) may never see the light of day. If we have to be lonely, we might as well all be lonely together.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion] 1
#4011681 - 04/04/05 03:58 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was talking about something similar the other day with a friend. We were talking about how there is a television in almost every socially interactive type place you go. Bars, lobbies, rec rooms etc. WE could be surrounded by a myriad of interesting people and we usually choose to watch the tv when not directly engaged in conversation. We hypothesized that this was because of this rampant loneliness, and the tv helps distract us from wallowing in it.
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I think its more to do with people not being comfortable with themselves and their aloneness. Loneliness is a more uncomfortable, needy kind of aloneness that seeks distraction.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion]
#4011748 - 04/04/05 05:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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happiness is a warm gun momma
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: faslimy]
#4011869 - 04/04/05 07:19 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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One is always alone, one is, all ways ... 
I'm just now, taking that shower, I'm about to get in to.. :P
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion]
#4011974 - 04/04/05 08:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I used to feel lonely when there were always people around me. Now...it's just the opposite. I have real close friends...and though they are not around...I still feel like they are close to me. I am never alone. I don't have a partner in life..or a significant other..yet I don't feel lonely at all. Maybe I've just become comfortable with being alone.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion] 1
#4012077 - 04/04/05 09:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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One of the darkest parts of humankind is that we are all truly alone.
We are born alone and we die alone.
We can't even prove that anything beyond our own conciousness exists.
Even the most closest relative / loved one / friend is still a seperate entity.
What is love? Maybe just an emotion that helps keep people together in harmony...
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Ego Death]
#4012686 - 04/04/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: One of the darkest parts of humankind is that we are all truly alone.
We are born alone and we die alone.
We can't even prove that anything beyond our own conciousness exists.
Even the most closest relative / loved one / friend is still a seperate entity.
What is love? Maybe just an emotion that helps keep people together in harmony...
Well, if everything is part of everything else, we are alone together. So being alone might be an illusion.
Know one knows for sure if you die alone?
Right we can't prove anything. Makes for an interesting ride.
Seemingly we are separate entity's, yet there is some evidence to dispute this. See first sentence.
Love may be the glue that holds it all together, cause and effect. Only unconditional Love is real IMO.
good post.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander]
#4012882 - 04/04/05 01:55 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Unconditional love = insanity. Unconditional anything is rather insane. You wouldn't sign a contract to unconditionally adhere to anything despite said reprecussions of your devotion would you? (I sure as hell wouldn't)
It's better to be alone IMO... I've been diagnosed with a shcizoid personality type which suggests that I enjoy being "alone".
It's a matter of perspective, and depends on how independant you are... or rather how co-dependant you are.
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Unconditional Love is not insane IMO. It's a state of advanced freedom. I think you are mistaking it for being a sucker which is very different.
For instance you can refuse to sign a contract where you can see someone is trying to take advantage of you. Yet you don't bother wasting energy on hating the person who is trying to get you to sign the contract. You know they have reasons for this that are not healthy. That's ok you love them unconditionally. You just differentiate between their actions which are not them and who they really are, which is the same thing as you.
Taking care of your self by not signing a bad contract and not wasting energy in an addictive emotional state over it is unconditionally loving yourself.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander]
#4013015 - 04/04/05 02:48 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, you got me wrong.
For instance, say you you've met you're perfect women, perfect in every way, everything couldn't get better... so you marry her.
Say two years later, the bitch is flipping out, doing your friends, your dad, your mother, sister (ridiculous I know, you get the picture)... You'd be a fool to stick with her unconditionally.
We set and provide conditions for a reason... you might do things without condition and hold other's in a different respect... I'm not one to put up with bullshit, if you are however; more power to you.
I don't differentiate between a person and their actions... a person is ultimately defined by their actions.. I can provide numerous examples, but will provide a generalization. ~role models.
I can be the nicest mother-fuckin' person in the world... but If I'm off in another country (or this one for that matter) slaughtering, stealing, raping, etc... I'd hope that you would hold that against me despite what a nice person you know I am.
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You'd be a fool to stick with her unconditionally.
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You got me wrong. 
I never said stick with her unconditionally, I said love her unconditionally. You have to leave because you love yourself and need to take care of yourself. She does all these bad things but that's not her, that's what she does. She may have been abused as a child and scared of life and lost. We all are from time to time and we do shitty things. You don't need to waste time hating her for all of the shit she pulls, you just get your ass out of there, but you still love her, you just don't love her actions. unconditional love only pertains to living beings not actions.
I'm like you I don't stay in shitty relationships. But by staying in a love space around my ex, I don't waste time and energy brooding over the past and hating or regretting anything. I just move on knowing adventure awaits. And that's how it's turned out for me in a similar situation. This isn't easy, it's a revolution of the heart.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion]
#4013098 - 04/04/05 03:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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all the lonely people: get off the internet and go outside talk to somebody its not that bad
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander] 1
#4013101 - 04/04/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't love unconditionally either... put a condition on all things, to stay with someone, to love someone, to do anything without a condition is foolish IMO.
On the same token do you have the unconditional extreme? Do you have unconditional hatred for someone as well? I doubt it, theirs a condition placed on the actions, you shouldn't feel anything absolutely/unconditionally for anything unless it's static.
Humans are anything but static, and hence your opinion of them should be dynamic.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: mar1juana]
#4013106 - 04/04/05 03:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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take your own advice 
Just because your alone... doesn't mean you're lonely. If you feel alone when your all by yourself, in way of being unable to cope... loneliness should be the least of your concerns. You need to get some new software capable of being independant.
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You don't have to love unconditionally. That's your choice. Why would I want to hate someone? It wastes emotional energy. For me love builds energy. The more I do it the more energy I have and the better life looks to me. But that's just me. For you it's different. Having experienced once for a few hours a state of complete unconditional love, I'm convinced. But again that's just me.
I hear where you're commin from it's cool. Rock on dude.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander]
#4013251 - 04/04/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about rapists, killers, murders, leaders of genocides, and the worst form of people among mankind?
Sorry, but that's reason enough to justify a form of hatred for me.
Unless we should love them, for they are good people on the inside... they just "fuck up" every now and again. 
Some people are just contemptible, and aren't reconciliable due to their actions.
I hear where you are comming from as well, but their is a reason why we have a full gambit of emotions. You only hate because you love, you only love because you hate... necessary duality, without the difference, you have nothing... a single state with no point of reference, has no relevance.
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You're feeling hate and anger. I understand that well. But that's a choice not a law. You haven't been able to listen to my posts, as I addressed everything you have just said about all those bad guys. It applys to your ex or hitler. Everyone fucks up, maybe you too, who gets to decide when forgiveness and understanding go out the window. Hate back and forth forever. Just look at the middle east. Only when someone decides to stop hating can anything change. I realize that there will always be love and hate in the universe because everything is there. They may be just parts of the same pole. You get to decide which one you will feel and project into your world.
Like I said you don't have to love anyone. good on ya. Leave it alone. I don't want to argue a point that cannot be resolved.
You have every right to believe as you do. I'm not saying you shouldn't. I fact I think you should indulge in it to your hearts content. Then you will know for sure if it suits you. Peace,
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (04/04/05 05:34 PM)
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander] 1
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Psy, I really do understand where you're coming from. I know people do the most terrible things. I just have found, for myself, over time, that hating people has no beneficial effect for me. My hate did not stop the terrible things. I just worked my self up into a killing rage against the evildoers. But it just made me feel sad inside and empty. Life was so full of evil that I felt I might just as well hate humanity at large. And I did for a long time. Psy I grew up in a family who taught me hate and fear, and there was very little room for Love. So knowing mostly that, I saw the world as sad, evil, failed. I didn't think humanity had the smarts to make it up out of all this pain and anger.
I guess it was a combination of failed romances and power plants that showed me a different way of being. I still have the same choices. The world hasn't changed. I am not certain that it is supposed to. But when I look at the evil being done in the world now. I see little children who never got shown unconditional love. Many were so abused that they could only hate, kill, rape, and destroy in their pain and frustration. I was an abused child also so I knew how they felt inside.
Power plants saved me. I was so unhappy it didn't matter if I took the risk to die. I took alot of medicine alone on the side of a mountain one night. What I saw and felt changed me. I was so afraid, I thought I was dying, finally I surrendered to death. More happened, but I won't bore you with details. When I came down things just started happening to me. I started to notice a benevolent hand in my life. I started to get all kinds of experiences, that I felt were guiding me in a direction. That's all I can say.
I know for sure, for me, that the only way I can stop the violence is with Unconditional love. Not love if people do what I want or what I think they should, or if they deserve it. Just because they are part of the universe that is made up of the same thing that I am.
I will go out on a limb and maybe give you a big laugh here. I believe everything is love, even hate. Hate is energy that is stuck and stagnant. Get it to move and it's love.
Anyway Psy, I don't know what the "truth" is. Maybe you're right. I don't know how to know. I am just following what I've been shown and how much better my life is now and how such amazing love from some very special friends came into my life, because I was vibrating a little differently. Every body has a job to do in the universe, this is mine, and yours is yours. Peace brother, damnit!
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion]
#4014007 - 04/04/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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all the young dudes carry the news
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander]
#4015160 - 04/04/05 10:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, i hear where you're comming form, just suggesting that hate is as necessary as love.
Hate and love are one in the same imo... both require one to feel passionate, intensely passionate about something, one focusing on the positive the other the negative.
No woman has done that to me btw... I'm not stupid enough to allow that if anything it was the an ex that felt that way about me... didn't happen though, I don't let bullshit happen to me that I can avoid nor do I force it on others.
Since you mentioned the powerplants and your revelation... you might as well finish
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Locus]
#4015360 - 04/04/05 11:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I love being a fool.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: slaphappy]
#4015667 - 04/05/05 01:48 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reguarding the hate/love dialogue,
Personally, I would make a distinction between hate and anger.
I believe that anger serves a specific purpose and is sometimes necessary, for example, government corruption causes public anger (civil unrest) which contrbutes to a more progressive government.
To me it seems that the term "anger" describes our need to seek justice and vindication so that if justice is satisfied, our anger becomes unecessary; whereas the term "hate" to me seems to describe a more focused, less rational type of anger that has no limitations. In my oppinion, hate is never justified, even in extreme cases.
Hate is just plain ugly and destructive, whereas Anger can be "re-constructive".
I honestly don't hate anyone in my life right now; I generally don't hate people, which is not to say that I never get angry, but I try to be tolerant and understanding so that my feelings of anger are quickly resolved. I'm sure there are things that could stretch my tolerance to the point where I probably would hate somebody, but I hope that never happens.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: slaphappy]
#4015707 - 04/05/05 02:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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hehehe sorry
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion]
#4016066 - 04/05/05 06:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Soul I agree, good point, good post.
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: soulmotion]
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Timing.... A beautiful symphony fully orchestrated by the puppetmaster of life itself.... Change is in the air.... It has never smelled so sweet......
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Since you mentioned the powerplants and your revelation... you might as well finish -------------------------------------------------------------------
Not much more, but something really big for me. I am reluctant to share it really because I don't usually believe this when others tell me about it.
Any way, at some point in the night I lost track of my consciousness, It was like a partial lucid dream and now I feel I way deep inside my subconscious. I know that some part of me was aware but I couldn't hang on to anything. I wasn't thinking in the way I usually do, with my ego I mean.
All of a sudden I "woke up" and found myself back. I was still hallucinating heavily but just like many previous trips. I was on a small hill in a circle of trees the wind had been blowing at 30 to 40 mph all night, yet on that little spot it had been quiet all night. A small town was laid out a couple of thousand feet below me in the valley maybe 10 miles away. I saw the lights of the town which connected to the next 3 adjoining towns. I saw the lights as energy moving between them and I realized that it was neural pathways and I was seeing the newly forming consciousness of a being, (earth).
I was in awe and rapture at that point. I felt the pain and love flowing and every emotion and feeling through those pathways.
At some point I turned back toward the mountain side. From a full continuous wind which had been blowing all night. It became completely still. The earth I felt had become aware of me. I had a rattle that I had made and I started an American Indian like chant. As I continued my voice became birdlike and it warbled and I started speaking a language I had never heard before anywhere. I was saying I cannot handle your presence, please come to me in a form I can handle. Then I felt what I call the Grandfather spirit. This mountain side was a holy place for spirit quests for the local tribe in my area, that's why I choose it. Anyway, the Spirit asked me what I wanted. At that point all my sadness pored out and I told him I was lost and sad and needed guidance. He simply said yes. The wind returned in full force and blew even on my hill top where it hadn't all night. I came mostly down then and felt a burst of joy and energy. The first light of dawn came and I hiked for hours up the mountain side crows followed me, I saw the usual elk and deer. But something had changed.
That spirit has never left me since and my life continues to change at a pace I had never thought possible.
I now wonder what exactly happened to me that night. Maybe the Grandfather spirit is me without the ego shell. What some call a higher self. I don't believe in a higher self just a self. So maybe I just had shed a repressive overly protective ego structure and saw myself as I was outside of the Matrix. I may never know.
Any way I continue to use power plants in this way. I get a "call" every so often and it's usually when I have integrated alot of learning and feel ready for more. One thing I forgot to mention Is that I told this spirit that no matter how painfull or difficult I wanted to become more. I told the Universe to, BRING IT ON, and it has. Sometimes I regret having done that when it seems way more than I can handle, but I just buck up and say it again. BRING IT ON! YOW!!
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander]
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Bring it on BRO.....!!! Bring it ON....!
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Let me just add, there is no lonelyness in a tightly knit family.... And that family does not need to be woven by blood, there are spiritual families that are just as strong as flesh and blood families.... I do feel that.... Yes I do.... 
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Re: All the Lonely People [Re: Icelander]
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thanks for sharing ice
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I agree, I have a family like that now. There was a time when I didn't think humans could do that. It turned out I couldn't do it. My actions were different than what I was telling myself. My fear was holding love at bay.
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