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Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. * 1
    #4011293 - 04/04/05 03:04 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I see a lot of ethanol based extraction processes, i.e. using everclear or denatured alcohol more commonly. I see acetone is used for a Salvia divinorum extract. Why is acetone used for kratom? I know with mimosa hostilis or psychotria viridis you can use ethanol.

What is used for kratom? Maybe I should just search some more but I am somewhat confused, since you would think ethanol could just be used for all the extraction processes. Is acetone a ethanol like product?


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4011339 - 04/04/05 03:18 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

lots of things are used for 1 plant. i dont know anythign about kratom.


to get dmt crystals you need a few different chems and a bunch of processes, where as salvia extract is usually just a/b.

or...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post2932288


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4012435 - 04/04/05 01:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

well I prefer this page

http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001367

For salvia extractions. It simply states pour acetone through the kratom a few times, take that liquid and pour over some kratom. Then you have 10-1 or 5-1 extract depending on how many grams you used to do the extract.


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4012622 - 04/04/05 02:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Okey dokey.

You extract salvia with acetone because savinorin is NOT an alkaloid.
Alkaloids in their salt form are generally very unsoluble in acetone.

Kadakuda, DMT is the one which IS standart acid-base extraction. Salvia is just a crude acetone extract, optionally followed by naphta and/or IPA washes.

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I think the kratom extracts that are being sold by suppliers are water based extracts.
As for crude kratom extraction, i read one should soak in water, dry, and than soak in alcohol. Possibly repeat.

Don't know how accurate is this info. What i know is that i've had limited success making water based kratom extracts or eating the ones they sell at ethno  stores.

However this thread got me thinking and i divised a hypothetical water-free alkaloid extraction method:

-Wet powdered kratom with white vinegar (or mild HCl solution). Let dry completely.
-Soak the acidified plant matter in anhydrous acetone.
-Filter and discard acetone. Let plant matter dry completely.

-Wet plant matter with an ammonia or mild NaOH solution. Let dry completely.
-Soak plant matter in acetone 3 times. Discard plant matter. Combine all 3 extracts.

Than,

-EITHER add concentrated HCl or H2SO4 dropwise till precipitation ceases. Collect precipitate (in case this works)
-OR evaporate acetone. Dissolve residue in a NPS. Filter unsolubles. To your NPS add a mild HCl solution. Separate the polar phase and evaporate it.

I am obviously assuming mitragynine and its cousins are unsoluble in acetone as the salt form, like most alkaloids are.
I am also assuming the acetone would be able to capture the freebase alkaloids better than water can capture their salts.

Anyone around with any useful info/advice?

I may try this on my next kratom batch. Which shouldn't be before may as I have to take a break, everytime i have it i end up drinking it every other day. This month i'll put my spare cash in cacti  :smirk:


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: esin]
    #14799677 - 07/20/11 09:15 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone tried this.

I'm very interested in getting pure kratom alkaloids.


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: nice1]
    #14801927 - 07/21/11 08:54 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

check out: "the Mitragyna species of Asia"

ps. old ass thread :smile:


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: kadakuda]
    #14802222 - 07/21/11 11:00 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I'm searching long and hard trying to find out how to get the pure kratom alkaloids in crystal form.

It can definately be done because there are vendors selling them.

I just can't find an A/B tek anywhere online!!

If any one can help I'd be greatly appreciative.  I have a load of kratom and I want to work out an acid base to get to crystal.


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: nice1]
    #14802234 - 07/21/11 11:04 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I'd like to know to. I got kratom lately and I tried only one extraction method which only gave us mild effect to none. I took 4 grams and let it soak in whisky in the microwave. Did this 3 times and then filter the whisky and drink it.

Was this a good method?


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: Daijo]
    #14802277 - 07/21/11 11:20 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

6 year old thread :dumbass:


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: wallthepaint]
    #14802987 - 07/21/11 02:14 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

6 years and still no kratom A/B tek  :crankshitshower:


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: nice1]
    #14803641 - 07/21/11 04:31 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

well, to start with you need to know what chemical you want to extract.....then figure out if acid base will even work.

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check out: "the Mitragyna species of Asia"




/\ will give you those answers :wink:


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: kadakuda]
    #14803879 - 07/21/11 05:31 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

OK thanks.

I want to extract the alkaloids 7-hydroxymitragynine and mitragynine.  I'm assuming they will probably both come through as acid base extractions usually pull all the alkaloids.

Do you have a link please because I googled that and a lot of info has come up.  Been sifting through it but i've not found any extraction info yet.


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: nice1]
    #14804013 - 07/21/11 06:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

7-Hydroxymitragynine and 7-acetoxymitragynine (if you canfind it) are pretty potent.

but imo ive had great results with maeng da kratom..comparable to some very potent opiods imo. dose isnt allowed. but too much was taken and it was almost a  scary experience...


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Re: Extractions of Kratom, Salvia etc. [Re: nowwhoutthink]
    #14807488 - 07/22/11 10:57 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

i am going to post them soonish, when i do i will give a link.


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