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OfflineRogerRabbitM
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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4008387 - 04/03/05 12:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Since anno hasn't noticed the dan quayle spelling error yet, allow me to correct it.

Incorrect: Potatoe
Correct: Potato

Sorry ohm my friend, couldn't resist!
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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4008438 - 04/03/05 12:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Since anno hasn't noticed the dan quayle spelling error yet, allow me to correct it.

Incorrect:  Potatoe
Correct:    Potato

Sorry ohm my friend, couldn't resist!
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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: agar]
    #4008640 - 04/03/05 01:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

cakes != casing

.. it is not a solid block, the colonized grains are mixed with field capacity verm.

not talking about the casing layers.

did you know what rez effect meant before you started posting?

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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: fresh313]
    #4008806 - 04/03/05 02:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well now i need help from the OMC.

in order to make this test really "valid" ill need various information on potatoes
and the other to be used substances, so i can create equally "nutritious" mixes.

like say, i used these 400grams of potatoe peels for the potatoe water,
how much honey do i have to stirr in say 500ml of water to get the same
"ammount" worth of nutes i can expect to have in my potatoe broth.

allright omc, start rolling
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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: fresh313]
    #4009584 - 04/03/05 06:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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cakes != casing

not talking about the casing layers.

did you know what rez effect meant before you started posting?




I just got back online (after a late night).

First post in this thread:

"nute's to be used will be:
boiled straw water
boiled manure water
boiled potatoe water
alc free beer (already did and worked great)

so im going to do various casings using the exact same ammount of grains and verm, but using different additions for the verm."

CASING is not SUBSTRATENor is "substrate" "casing".

After my reply in this thread, ScatHERE  Quote "Agar...I believe you seem to think the point of the nutrient verm is to apply it to the top or bottom of the casing as a casing layer...the "rez effect" is taking 3 quarts of colonized millet, bird seed, whatever...and 3 quarts of sterile moist verm...then mixing the two all together.If that sterile moist verm, was moistened using nute water..it should help within the substrate..shouldnt it? It doesnt matter if this fully colonizes...it kind of mixes the cake and casing idea...just like a cake...the casing can now be dunked and rehydrated...unlike normal whole grains, if you just cased the 3 quarts of colonized grain, it wouldnt reabsorb moisture very easy.
" End QUOTE

Which tells me (even though Scat also refers to "Casing" & "Substrate" as the SAME THING

I was refering to CASING because the lead thread refers to "CASING".

Okay..... OKAY. I realize NOW. You all are refering to SUBSTRATE & using verm in it that, is fortified with nutriants.

HELL YES I have hydrated/fortified verm with all sorts of mini/micro/macro nutriant solutions (since day 1 of my bulk Op's). Then added that fortified verm to a bulk substrate. It CERTAINLY helps in adding more minin/micro/macro nutriants & moisture to a SUBSTRATE. Adding the same to a "CASING" would simply F/U the purpose of a "casing" cover. So, I was talking about CASING, when everyone else was about SUBSTRATE. Me bad :rolleyes:, for not realizing that :eek:until I logged on today.

As for "CASING" covers. About the same time, I posted this in the newbie forum. Which may also be of interest here:

COFFIN CASING & HYDRO-PUMPING

By "coffin casing", I mean a layer of non-nutritive (pH adjusted vermiculite & peat) sterilized casing mixture covering the complete top, bottom, and sides of a substrate.

One first covers the bottom, and sides of a sanitized container tray with the casing mixture, then add the substrate (which should include optimal delayed release nutrients), then add spawn, and incubate it.

Once the substrate is 100% colonized, complete the coffin by first adding a single layer of sterilized, or boiled (and allowed to cool) polyester spun-bond landscape cloth directly over the top of the substrate.

Then cover that with the same thickness of pasteurized non-nutritive casing cover used on the sides, and underneath it. In effect, you create a contaminate barrier, and moisture reservoir that completely surrounds the substrate on all sides.

The purpose of laying a polyester spun-bond landscape cloth directly over the top of the substrate is as a strong porous barrier between the two, which rhizomorphic threads of mycelium can easily bridge/grow through to the surface, from the actual substrate mass beneath.

When harvesting fruit bodies, the landscape cloth will not allow you to dislodge pieces of the actual substrate from its main body, creating a possible contamination vector. After harvesting, you simply patch any area where the casing cover was dislodged, with more of the same.

Other benefits of "coffin casing" are this. As the substrate produces mushrooms, it shrinks, and pulls away from the sides of the tray. When this occurs, one simply fills those voids with more of the same casing mixture. So-as-to increase the total moisture retention, and distributing capacity of the whole coffin casing structure.

Coffin cased substrates are also amenable to "Hydro-Pumping" type hydration, with a capped small bore aseptic plastic tube with fine holes along its (covered) length laid intermixed in the bottom casing cover, with another capped end extending outside the substrate tray.

One simply alters a pump action type spray mist bottle to accept that tubing. As such, small incremental amounts of sterile water can be pumped directly into the bottom of the coffin casing mixture, as needed. As this hydration system is "closed", it minimizes airborne contamination vectors.

Cased substrate in optimal conditions lose very little moisture via evaporation. The primary moisture loss is due to the formation of fruit bodies, which consist of approximately 90% water by weight.

By immediately weighing harvested mushroom crops, It is simple to calculate how much water they contain. By the same methodology, it is as simple to determine the approximate amount of water that should be replaced.

Thoughts from agar, the idiot savant myco-farmer


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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: agar]
    #4010281 - 04/03/05 08:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

its all good in the hood

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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: agar]
    #4011041 - 04/03/05 11:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Thoughts from agar, the idiot savant myco-farmer




ahahahaha :wink:

sorry bout the confusion mate, i was all about adding the nute'd verm to the grains ofcoz :smile:

i wonder, b/c u already tried that, what u found to work best?
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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: ohmatic]
    #4011768 - 04/04/05 05:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

1. Compost tea, (2)cattle manure tea (NOT BAGGED OR STORE BOUGHT), (3)horse manure tea (or combo of all). If you can find kelp or seaweed meal - throw a bit in a blender - pulse a few times & add to any of the above & a tiny bit of bone meal, along with a very small amount (like 1 OZ) of vegatable oil.

You can also fine grind brown rice, rye, wbs, sunflower seeds or rape - canola seed(provides oils)& add that to any tea combo.

Another way is to soak ground corn cob (pet bedding about the size of unpopped pop corn)in a tea combo, then simmer the hell out of it in tea & add that to verm mix. It absorbs slow & releases slow.

If all else is optimal......Doing so with any of the above really adds to potency, size & overall harvest weights :thumbup: :grin:


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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: agar]
    #4011825 - 04/04/05 06:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

thx for the input.
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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: ohmatic]
    #4011997 - 04/04/05 08:39 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

ohm what grains will you be using? I believe in the rez effect thread he uses wbs, but I was curious about rye. I have a some quart jars full of rye colonizing so I was just curious for my grows sake if u knew about rye and the rez effects method.


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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: AnOddLittlePlace]
    #4012552 - 04/04/05 12:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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ohm what grains will you be using? I believe in the rez effect thread he uses wbs, but I was curious about rye. I have a some quart jars full of rye colonizing so I was just curious for my grows sake if u knew about rye and the rez effects method.




the type of grain to be mixed with the verm iteself is not the key role
as the additional water in the verm will be drawn out regardless if u use rye
or wbs or some other grain.

im going to use a mix of both, 2 parts rye and one part millet.
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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: ohmatic]
    #4012689 - 04/04/05 12:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

When I refer to "dunking the casing" I mean, the whole thing, after a flush..in water. I stop calling it substrate once the casing layer is applied..sorry bout that :smile: I'm still a newbie..gimmie a break :smile:


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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: agar]
    #4015962 - 04/05/05 05:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I like that coffin method agar! :thumbup:

But what is a "polyester spun-bond landscape cloth "?

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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #4016009 - 04/05/05 05:41 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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I like that coffin method agar! :thumbup:

But what is a "polyester spun-bond landscape cloth "?

MF




It is polyfil (polyester) fiber that is made into a thin piece of nonwoven cloth. Sort of like Tyvek, except very porous to both air & water. It is used as a weed barrier in landscaping.

You can cover freshly turned soil with it, then cover the landscape cloth with mulch. Grass, plants & weeds cannot pass or grow though the landscape cloth. But, it allows air & moisture to pass through.

For instance, a long narrow row of fine flowering roses (or any ornimental plants) along a border area can be kept weed free by using this type landscape cloth over the soil & under a mulch.

Air, fertilizer & water can pass through the cloth & mulch to the plants you want to thrive & weeds are cannot invade or grow out. You simply make a hole through the cloth for any plant you want to grow.


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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: ohmatic]
    #4016024 - 04/05/05 05:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm thanks, will check the coffin method out in the future! :thumbup:

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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #4016929 - 04/05/05 11:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

thanks ohmatic =)


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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #4016936 - 04/05/05 11:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Hmm thanks, will check the coffin method out in the future! :thumbup:

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You can DO IT ----- without the landscape cloth, also.  :wink:


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Re: rez-effect revised [Re: agar]
    #4017879 - 04/05/05 02:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, sure I can but I like its function. I had 2 tubs where some of the substrate (straw, little poo) came upp with the mushrooms whenharvesting. The only contam entering the 'bulk-castle' was in such a harmed casinglayer.

So I would like to use it, also without the casing coffin-style! :laugh:


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