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Invisibledorkus
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the distance to thought - to distance the thought
    #4004328 - 04/02/05 11:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There is a difference between being aware of a thought and thinking a thought. That difference is very subtle. It is primarily a matter of feeling or texture. A thought you are simply aware of with bare attention feels light in texture; there is a sense of distance between that thought and the awareness viewing it. It arises lightly like a bubble, and it passes away without necessarily giving rise to the next thought in that chain. Normal conscious thought is much heavier in texture. It is ponderous, commanding, and compulsive. It sucks you in and grabs control of consciousness. By its very nature it is obsessional, and it leads straight to the next thought in the chain, apparently with no gap between them.

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Re: the distance to thought - to distance the thought [Re: dorkus]
    #4004333 - 04/02/05 11:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ancient Pali texts liken meditation to the process of taming a wild elephant. The procedure in those days was to tie a newly captured animal to a post with a good strong rope. When you do this the elephant is not happy. He screams and tramples, and pulls against the rope for days. Finally it sinks through his skull that he can't get away, and he settles down. At this point you can begin to feed him and to handle him with some measure of safety. Eventually you can dispense with the rope and post altogether, and train your elephant for various tasks. Now you've got a tamed elephant that can be put to useful work. In this analogy the wild elephant is your wildly active mind, the rope is mindfulness, and the post is our object of meditation-- breathing. The tamed elephant who emerges from this process is a well trained, concentrated mind that can then be used for the exceedingly tough job of piercing the layers of illusion that obscure reality. Meditation tames the mind.

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Re: the distance to thought - to distance the thought [Re: dorkus]
    #4004440 - 04/02/05 12:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Meaningful words you speak....    Meditation, something that I really need to discipline in myself....  I have done little meditation in my past(actually just within the last week), but I will start to balance life out with meditation for the future of what I like to call my "Train Of Thought"....  It is just another metaphor for what you have described above with the elephant taming....  As even in me, my "Train of Thought" very much seems to trample me with an out of control run-away train without a driver....  At least the way I see it now, I can be the driver....  Change for me is a good thing....  It is time for my positive changes in life so as I can make my own destiny, and tame that "Train" to use it as a means for positive change....    A means that may give my life true meaning....    :heart:
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Funny that in my past, I wrote a song that has more meaning to me now than ever called, "Freight Train Hurricane"....  The first line in the song, "Jump off the tracks if you feel you know the way"....  As a metaphor, one's destiny does not have tracks to follow....  The "set" tracks for the train are an illusion....  The "Hurricane" represents you and me....  Behind every hurricane lies a path of change....  With Training and discipline, that hurricane can be a positive change that is left in our wake....  Ironic that I wrote that song many years ago, and just now see the deeper meaning to what I had written....  Before I saw me as running from the hurricane while riding in my freight train without tracks....  Now I realize that I can be that hurricane....    :heart:


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mental mudra [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4004477 - 04/02/05 12:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

being aware of the thought is a kind of double duty.
in a way it is a bending of mind such that it watches itself, or takes a position in which observation or awareness is part of the ongoing thought stream.
I think of it as a shapeless mind mudra (though asana might be better but mudra refers more to hand gesture than body position and it is a thrust of mind to some degree, so more like mudra)
a kind of self-referential gesture of mind, relaxing and seeing the ongoing process while yet part of the process - inseparable.


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Re: mental mudra [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4004551 - 04/02/05 12:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

And this alone can make us all evolve into GODS....  Astral, celestial heavenly bodies of the planets, and on the planets....  :sun:  :heart:


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Re: mental mudra [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4005336 - 04/02/05 05:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Happiness would suffice fine for me :wink: No need to be an astral pilot, i just wanna watch the watcher.

edit: or be the watcher watching the watcher?


Edited by dr_mandelbrot (04/02/05 05:41 PM)


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Re: mental mudra [Re: dorkus]
    #4005392 - 04/02/05 05:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Aaaahhh, I have heard the term "Eyes Wide Open" a lot in the last few days from various people and for various reasons....
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So you have....
"Eyes Wide Open" seems to fit....(?)
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But, then there is....
"Mind Wide Open" just might be fitting too....(?)
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And....
"Heart Wide Open" seems to fit as well....(?)
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Perhaps it is all three that makes one free....(?)
Funny how some of the most profound things seem to come in "three's" for me in my life.... Hhhhhmmmmmm....

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