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Offlinekilgore_trout
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iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state
    #4004081 - 04/02/05 08:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

this is an exeprt from one of my posts in "logical extreme" thread that i felt deserved its own thread and discussion.

"it is very important to note that prior to the war iraq and iran were both accepting euros for oil rather than the opec standard of us dollars. dire consequences for american profiteering. its no suprise we've turned our sights to syria as they would like to sell oil for euros as most of their goods are purchased with euros. do you now see why there was media engendering of anti-continental european sentiments or why europe was largely against the iraq war and prefers talks with iran rather than invasion? it all comes down to money and oil. venezuela wants to diversify its oil sales to become less reliant on the us and in turn us dollars, perhaps turning to euros. they also are running and have been promoting exchanges of oil for goods such as cuban doctors and med supplies. by promoting i mean the pres. chavez promoting such currency by-passing barter at an OPEC conference. any suprise at the us backed attempted coup and incessant anti-venezuela propaganda which might be a prelude to military action? Also, by toppling these middle-eastern gov'ts leaders have been displaced who might vote in opec to change the currency standard.

just google "iraq accept euro" for more info and some good explanations about economic ramifications concerning exchanges, currency reserves, et cetera."

also in that post i stated the fact that the "oil for food scandal" didnt just involve europe and certain members of the un, which are rivals of the us in many ways, but also the us gov't and corporations due to oversight and veto power on the pertinent comittee and great profiteering on the part of the corporations which are indisputably closely linked to the politicans and military. thought that was important to add. also, in the post was info about us corporations controlling iraqi oil under the name of an official iraqi org.

i feel this is a legitimate pseudo-"double post."


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004123 - 04/02/05 09:21 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

forgot to add, in both posts, the possibility of dismantling/replacing/or at least controlling opec though new acquisitions of foreign gov'ts by the us.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004204 - 04/02/05 10:41 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

oops again

current estimates say if world consumption continues at current rate we will be out of oil by 2045, roughly. this is going by the current rate and does not take into account the unknowable increases in consumption that will come about as india and china greatly progress.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004301 - 04/02/05 11:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yup

And then theres fresh water

Which is why I'm not having children, and I hope those 1 billion Chinese, and soon to be 1 billion indian FUCKERS (literally, they FUCK TOO MUCH!) dont have any kids. They breed like fucking rabbits.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: MycoJunkie]
    #4004404 - 04/02/05 12:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

my post in the thread concerning the fall of the dollar is pertinent here as well. check out that thread.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004496 - 04/02/05 12:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone in the world is the "enemy" of the dollar because it has been the dominant currency for a long time. Thats just economics 101. How come you didn't list all of the countries trying to peg to the dollar?...I suppose thats just a rhetorical question since it is obvious that your argument wouldn't look as good if you took that into account.

Those countries have a lot more in common than just accepting euros. Just stick with the "blood for oil" argument because its easier to spin, especially in these times.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: Catalysis]
    #4004747 - 04/02/05 01:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i dont get your argument. please explain. i think these are unique circumstances not applicable to most other countries.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004749 - 04/02/05 01:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

americas' war against europe...
a new source of global conflict...

that sounds plausible at first..but the big ? this raises is ..given the catastrophic results of oil being priced in non-dollars..bushco should have easily been able to sell the war just by telling the truth..why then..did they feel that they had to lie (and possibly do worse)..when they had a legitimate causus belli?...


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4004827 - 04/02/05 02:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

try saying "we have to go to war in order to control the oil supplies; its simple economics. we cant waste time with deals, aid offers, et cetera. we cant consider new (universal?) trade currencies or the euro."

many people dont understand global econ. many would reject war for protection from possible financial harms they cannot comprehend long before rejecting war to prevent "otherwise unavoidable" violence that all can understand. esp. considering post 9-11 paranoia.

what if they justified war by money and said the profiting corps would be the start of trickle down? a very diff situation but still war in the financial interests of americans on diff levels, so worthy of hypothetical thought.


i once had the same question, but not for long.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004865 - 04/02/05 02:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

most ppl could prolly understand that they cant eat a green piece of paper..which is all you have if oil is priced in euros...furthermore..most americans prefer otherwise unpalatable anti-inflationary economic policies..and they do seem to realize this..although not always consciously...


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004889 - 04/02/05 02:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i just think physical harm is more persuasive than economics, esp. with all the paranoia being engendered concerning terrorism anf wmd's for person who lived during the cold war. every few generations needs a new threat of violence to persuade them, sometimes they carry over.


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Re: iraq, iran, syria, and venezuela enemies of the dollar and thus the state [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #5437763 - 03/24/06 12:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If Iran and Syria want to use Euros then we are both countries counterfeiting so many US dollars?


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