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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: BladeLSD]
    #4067152 - 04/17/05 11:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

^^^
Interesting thanks.. can you give any more details, like how much more potent the mushrooms were with 50mg added? Yeah if I ever try this or friend of a friend of a friend blah blah i'd prob make it 75mg "just in case" :wink:.

Oh and are these the pf size jars? (pint, i'm not sure.. only time i did it i used quart jars) i'm sure a bigger jar/more substrate more DMT would be beneficial.

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4068115 - 04/18/05 08:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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JaguarWarrior101 said:
Here's a list of some well known DMT containing plants:

1)Acacia spp. (Maiden's Wattle)
2)Anadenanthera spp. (Yopo)
3)Desmanthus illinoensis (Bundle Flower)
4)Phalaris grass (reed canary grass)
5)Psychotria viridis
6)Mimosa hostilis (Jurema)
7)Virola spp. (Epe?a)
8)Diplopterys cabrerana (Chagro-panga)
9)Arundo donax (Giant River Reed}





#4 is Grass, couldn't we remove some of the worthless plant mass and add this to Cakes. A simple partial extraction shouldn't be hard. :confused:


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: BladeLSD]
    #4069767 - 04/18/05 06:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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reed canary does has DMT some vary more than others it grows all over where i live, the only problem is it also contains 5-meo-DMT and what sucks is you think your smoking 50mg of dmt..., well you get the picture,



Why would 5-meo-DMT be a bad thing? Also, in this case we aren't smoking it, we are using it to boost the stregth of our mushrooms.
So we would:

A)Use the plant in our substrate.

or

B)Use the extract in our substrate.

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stick with mimosa or desmathus,



I happend to have ordered seeds for both of these a week or so ago, so hopefully I'll have a number of these plants available sometime this year. :headbanger:


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: radio879]
    #4069950 - 04/18/05 07:10 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

does anyone have any info on how much psilocin remains in mushies once dried? i was under the impression that most of it gets broken down upon drying, however if more remained in dry mass i would be very interested in this.

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: relativexistance]
    #4075708 - 04/20/05 02:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think there is little psilocin in the mushrooms to begin with. And i think that any psilocin that does break down turns blue. The only blue spots on my shrooms are on the bottom of the stem and sometimes the length of the stem, so thus very little of the very little psilocin. Psilocybin however, i do not think breaks down as readily.


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: relativexistance]
    #4082944 - 04/21/05 08:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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relativexistance said:
does anyone have any info on how much psilocin remains in mushies once dried? i was under the impression that most of it gets broken down upon drying, however if more remained in dry mass i would be very interested in this.




The standard number I have heard is 60% of the pcilocin remains, but it depends on how good your drying procedure is. You could attain better than that if you freeze dried them. And just as easily, you could attain worse if you used heat to dry them.


As for the extraction, there really is no need to get crystaline DMT because the other stuff with it shouldn't cause problems to the mushies. The best reason I can think of to get crystaline DMT is to see exactly how much you are adding, but you can't really be sure that DMT is what you have without using a lab, so whatever. As far as DMT HCl lowering the pH, if this bothers you (it increases chance of contams and lowers the later flush yields) then what you should do is add gypsum (sp?) to neutralize the acid. This is a good practice anyway. You should aim for an initial pH of about 8 I believe.

But the thing is, if you have DMT, youy might as well just get some syrian rue and make ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is basically just a more intense trip that doesn't have tolerance effects so you can trip all the time.

Anyway, that is just my opinion. I am sure I will be wrong about a couple things and I am sure I will be corrected. Peace all.


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: dumbsnake34]
    #4086885 - 04/22/05 10:52 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

Well, apparently someone real cool has already done some research!

So, i'm just relaying this info cause i find it very valuable, from.. a friend of a friend's friend's cousin's..dog..or something. :

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well the DMT I used was 99.9% pure at the time, so if your using extract you might wanna add a little more than 50. I used 1/2 pint pf/jars. I did several different experiments on a total of 72 jars over several months. plus the jars that didnt have DMT in them. Well if your real in patient like I was at first the potency increase is always flush dependent, so always let the jars sit around for atleast 2 extra weeks once their at 100% otherwise their wont be much of an increase in the first flush. Even with the wait the increase is always flush dependent, with later flushes always being more potent sometimes 3x as potent but generally in 2nd and 3rd flushes the mushrooms are 1.75x-2.4-5x more potent than their Non DMT counterparts in the same flush. As far as using other tryptamines, I didnt get around to it since RCs were made illegal. I found out that adding much more than 50mg doesnt produce a noticibal increase. 100mg and 50mg added to jars sided by side, and I couldnt tell the difference. So I only got as far as doing 3 jars with 40 3 with 50 3 with 60 and 3 without. the ones with 40mg were noticbly less potent. 1.5 dried grams of each were taken and all noticed the 40mg group to be the least potent in randomized tests. Aborts seem to be super potent, and the cakes are also noticbly more potent once their exhausted, so dont throw them away,




So uh, sounds to me like every shroomery dude growin' shrooms should try adding some DMT in some form, it sure looks like the potency is worth adding some ground up mimosa bark, it sure ain't expensive :wink:.

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: radio879]
    #4087257 - 04/23/05 12:53 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

ayahuasca does have a permanent tolerance, but its different on a person to person basis.

and you cant ingest DMT freebase with an maoi and have it work. only DMT HCL (tea) works with an maoi. Dont argue, i have years of experience in this field.

with the acidity of your mimosa tea, depending on what acid you used, you can use calcium carbonate like what it used in casings.

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: Abermelin]
    #4087313 - 04/23/05 01:15 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

doesn't the dmt free base convert to dmt hcl in your stomach when introduced to your stomach's hydrochloric acids?

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: lonebuddha]
    #4087444 - 04/23/05 02:06 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

Yuppers.


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: SoopaX]
    #4087726 - 04/23/05 05:27 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

mimosa has natural MAIO in it so three's some controversy over it being a source of orally active DMT.


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: Abermelin]
    #4087776 - 04/23/05 06:54 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

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ayahuasca does have a permanent tolerance, but its different on a person to person basis.



Permanent tolerance? Please explain. Even temporary tolerance is very difficult to produce clinically: Rick Strassman Interview: DMT Research, Elves, Aliens, and More

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and you cant ingest DMT freebase with an maoi and have it work. only DMT HCL (tea) works with an maoi. Dont argue, i have years of experience in this field.




Freebase DMT will be converted to DMT HCl immediately upon entering your stomach's own vat of hydrochloric acid. How would you go about making your DMT HCl tea anyway? What kind of experience do you actually have in "this field"?

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with the acidity of your mimosa tea, depending on what acid you used, you can use calcium carbonate like what it used in casings.



To what, convert the DMT salt back into freebase? What are you trying to say?

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: lonebuddha]
    #4087778 - 04/23/05 06:55 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

Most definately : )

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #4087924 - 04/23/05 08:56 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

sorry to cut into the discussion: but has anyone actually tried mimosa as a substrate addition? If so, what where the results? (The discussion about adding DMT to substrate has be going on in here for a year now...)
Wouldnt the DMT break down in a pc? So youd have to add it afterwards?

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #4088564 - 04/23/05 01:31 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

How would you add it afterwards? "Shake n' bake" your mushrooms in DMT? You'd also need a MAOI to make any use of said DMT, which would also ramp up the power of your mushrooms. In my opinion this would be a dangerous combination. The dangers of taking an MAOI and tripping really hard to the point you may eat something you aren't supposed to without thinking about it. I think this could only be done if one were out camping and had no access to any fermented foods/beverages.


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4088592 - 04/23/05 01:36 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

no, actually i wanted to add it to the substrate by bulking and mixing it under (the straw or whatever)
Why would you need maois if the DMT is turned to Psilocyn?


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #4088642 - 04/23/05 01:52 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

You wouldn't.

Sorry I miss read your earlier post... you couldn't add the DMT after pressure cooking because you would ruin the purpose of using the pc to begin with. From what I gather DMT is quite stable, I don't think heat effects it much at all, someone will obviously correct me if I'm wrong.


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #4088691 - 04/23/05 02:10 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

oh my children, so many questions and so little answers.

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doesn't the dmt free base convert to dmt hcl in your stomach when introduced to your stomach's hydrochloric acids?




i am no organic chemist, but i can tell you that eating the freebase with the maoi doesnt work.

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mimosa has natural MAIO in it so three's some controversy over it being a source of orally active DMT.




um no. you must be thinking of the caapi vine, which contains maoi's, and correct me if im wrong as ive never actually worked with the vine before, some amount of DMT. Mimosa has no maoi properties.

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Permanent tolerance? Please explain. Even temporary tolerance is very difficult to produce clinically: Rick Strassman Interview: DMT Research, Elves, Aliens, and More




i didnt say you get a permanent tolerance from smoked freebase (as you insinuated in your link about DMT research), i said you get it from ayahuasca. thats two differnt things. I also said its on a person to person basis. Ask any experienced ayahausqero if his first few trips were much different than his later ones, and i assure you he will tell you so.

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Freebase DMT will be converted to DMT HCl immediately upon entering your stomach's own vat of hydrochloric acid. How would you go about making your DMT HCl tea anyway? What kind of experience do you actually have in "this field"?




DMT hcl tea is made by boiling a DMT containing plant in a pot of acidified water. I have years of personal experience in the specific field of rue/mimosa ayahuasca. You dont need a MIT chemistry degree to know what methods of brewing and ingesting are more potent and successful than others.

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To what, convert the DMT salt back into freebase? What are you trying to say?




im saying if you make a mimosa tea, your going to use an acid to extract the DMT out of the plant matter. Your going to want to do this because the tea is far more potent than the amount of powdered plant material you would have to use in your substrate, and it will be more readily available to the mycellium than through tough root bark cells. Anyways, if your adding an acidic solution to your substrate, you will want to add some limestone flour (calcium carbonate) to your substrate to balance the PH out. Who said anything about basifiying? You need to pull your head out of the western mindset and understand things for their simplicity. As far as adding freebase to your substrate, other than the fact that its wasteful, my instincts tell me that it is a bad idea for the sake of the health of the mycellial network. If anyone has success with that method, then the best of luck.

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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: Abermelin]
    #4089269 - 04/23/05 05:38 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

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Permanent tolerance? Please explain. Even temporary tolerance is very difficult to produce clinically: Rick Strassman Interview: DMT Research, Elves, Aliens, and More



i didn't say you get a permanent tolerance from smoked freebase (as you insinuated in your link about DMT research), i said you get it from ayahuasca. that's two different things. I also said its on a person to person basis. Ask any experienced ayahuasca if his first few trips were much different than his later ones, and i assure you he will tell you so.




As with any drug, the more you are experienced with it the more you know what to expect, the familiarity with it would change the entire experience.


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Re: addition of DMT experiment - couple q's [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4089425 - 04/23/05 06:36 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

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i am no organic chemist, but i can tell you that eating the freebase with the maoi doesnt work.




Um, sorry, but i'm not GOD, but ...you are just wrong, plain and simple. This is how i take my 'huasca, i extract the DMT out of mimosa, so i have pretty white freebase crystals. Then, i'll usually first take a conveinent no-hassle capsule of an extract of harmala/line, then, take a measured dose of DMT freebase in a capsule, nice and conveinent for me, my style, no barfing to deal with etc. Sorry but, as the other guy said, the DMT freebase DOES come in contact with the hcl acid in your stomach and becomes the hcl salt, ...i'm right, simple as that. How can it not work, if..thats what i do, and it does work? how can it NOT become the hcl salt? Pointless thing to talk about i mean COME ON! simple shit.

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and you cant ingest DMT freebase with an maoi and have it work. only DMT HCL (tea) works with an maoi. Dont argue, i have years of experience in this field.




^^ bwahahahahahahahaha. sorry. I had to laugh once again. Years of experience taking huasca must have..given you some big ego or something? man, time to take a break from that and maybe eat some shrooms or LSD? Don't argue? bow down to the..dmt ..knowledge god here?!? ahh god, why do i bother.. i think everyone else reading the thread understands, yes, when you eat the freebase DMT, it does, turn into the hcl salt in your stomach. Got that kids?

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