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not a lot of fruiting
    #4003031 - 04/02/05 12:53 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I got mycelium all over my casing layer and only a quarter of it has pins popping up this has happened with every casing I have done so far whats the deal thanks in advance. Humidty right around 90 temp 74-76 and this is like day 13.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4003233 - 04/02/05 01:39 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Can't really tell without seeing it, but sounds like it might be over-layed.
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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: HippieChick]
    #4003243 - 04/02/05 01:43 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hard to say wether its acutally overlay or not. Too many people jump to say a casing is overlayed just because there is mycellium is on top. It could be due to not having an even casing layer. Some pics would def. let us better help you.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4003251 - 04/02/05 01:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I was just going on the mycelium all over the place statement.
Without a pic., no way of telling for sure.
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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: HippieChick]
    #4003467 - 04/02/05 02:54 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't need a picture you tell you that you have a problem. Mycelium on the top means you might get mushrooms but you'll get fewer.

Let me guess: you used coco coir in your casing, right? Don't use it next time. It often overlays like that.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4003550 - 04/02/05 03:14 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, you cant say wether he acutally has overlay if you haven't seen what his casings look like. Overylay is dead mycellium. You have no idea if the mycellium on his casing is alive or dead. Dont post bullshit like this.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4003551 - 04/02/05 03:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

And on another note, Coco Coir works just fine as a casing layer. I have never found it to be more prone to overlay than anyother casing material.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4004172 - 04/02/05 10:18 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

no i didn't use coco coir on this casing i used bought casing material from river vallery ranch


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4004179 - 04/02/05 10:26 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

doesnt look like overlay to me, just need to patch during incubation of casing in those colonized areas because those are thin spots in the casing


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: djsage420]
    #4004268 - 04/02/05 11:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You didnt do it evenly and iniate at the correct time. Some mycelium spots poped up first, and got exposed to the pinning triggers before the rest of it.

A picture of the whole casing would help us better.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4004538 - 04/02/05 12:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I do not see significant overlay, but I do see problems.

First, I don't care what you hygrometer is saying, you are not running at 90% relative humidity (RH). You are pegged at 100%. At 90% one would not see beads of condensation running down the chamber walls. One would not see the mycelium running the surface. One would not see the mycelium super fuzzy like that. Lower the humidity. It should be lowered such that you have to mist daily to compensate for it drying. You should not see condensation on the walls after a day or two if the humidity is really 90-95%. You might want to get a decent hygrometer too so you can hit 90-95% for real. You can pick up a Caliber III for about $20 online. They tend to be pretty accurate.

But your MAIN problem is that you need to incubate your casings in the future. Popping the tray into fruiting conditions at 74F without incubating the casing at 84-86F will cause the casing to never colonize right and pins to form prematurely. I mean you are telling the tray to fruit and it's listening. If you want it to colonize the casing, then you have to stop telling it to fruit so quickly. I know there are those who say you don't need to incubate your casings. Well, I have been growing for 10+ years, gourmet and actives, and I can tell you with confidence you always have to incubate unless you are running a large bulk tray that generates its own incubation heat. Next time do a tub-in-tub or heating or just heat the closet/room with a space heater for 5-10 days until you see the mycelium poke through the top. THEN you can lower the temperature to the mid 70s.

Having said all of that, I can tell you that I have also had trouble with casings fully colonizing in the past. One way to "cheat" a little is to use a thin casing. It might not give you quite the fruits, but it makes colonization a lot faster. It does seem that sometimes mycelium will race though a casing like wildfire and other times it'll take its sweet time. I can't help you with that one, but I can tell you that incubation of your casings will make all the difference in the world.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4004546 - 04/02/05 12:54 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, and one last thing: why is there straw poking out of the casing? The casing is supposed to cover your bulk substrate evenly. You need to flatten your substrate out next time and evenly apply the casing material. Also you should be careful about applying it loosely. In the picture it looks like you might have pushed it down. Don't do that. You want to sprinkle the casing on, keeping it light and airy as possible. If you need a little help keeping it light and airy, mix in a little vermiculite next time.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4004601 - 04/02/05 01:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with everything you are saying except humidity. IMO, you want the humidity as high as you can possibly get it during initiation without saturating the casing. The most important thing is to provide adequate air exchange. This is the key IMO!

This as well as even casing run/casing incubation like bluehelix said is your problem.

Fresh Air / high humidity / even casing layer run. Timing, timing timing...


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4007157 - 04/03/05 01:31 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, He can very well have his humidity at 90% and have condensation on the walls of the casing chamber. If the temp. outside the chamber is colder than what the inside is it will form condensation. Concerning your thoughts on the supposed "fluffy" mycellial growth, i see very little of that, it is more rhizomorphic than "fluffy". Here is a pic of fluffy mycellium, there is a clear difference.



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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4007204 - 04/03/05 01:42 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

How can i get the fluffyness? it is mostly rhizomorphic. Is that bad? It just dawned on me to is that the light I am using a 15 watt plant & aquarium light 457 nm 1 ft above casing could that be to strong? 10 hrs a day its on. well for humidity I open 3 times a day and usally give it 2 quick sprays each time. I was using a bubbler but I didn't think that was working to well. Gave that up and the next day saw pins.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4007221 - 04/03/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Im guessing I should wait longer before giving it light I waited 7 days thought it was enough cause teks says 3-5 or once u see little mycelium in the cracks.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4007498 - 04/03/05 03:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Fluffy mycelium is usually caused by a high RH. There is nothing wrong with rhizomorphic growth, it is usually preferred.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4007667 - 04/03/05 05:32 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)


This is the way you want it to look


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4008478 - 04/03/05 02:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The picture you have found looks like a tray from hell. In all my years of growing, I have never managed to get one to grow quite like that, so I didn't even know it was possible. What agar is showing is what I mean by not fluffy. You want tiny spikes to be going through the casing without the fluff around them. Having said that, this tray will probably fruit okay, but we're talking ideally here.

As far as the humidity, there is no way the walls can be dripping with water, walls hot or cold, and the inside of that fruiting chamber not at 100%. Maybe that would happen with a room-sized tray, but I don't think that is what we have here.


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Re: not a lot of fruiting [Re: Blue Helix]
    #4008526 - 04/03/05 03:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Every isolate is different guys...

Some people are short some tall some fat some skinny...

That is how I think of it...

Just like strains differ with respect to appearance so does their mycelium differ with respect to growth characteristics.

Optimal conditions generally remain constant.

This is what I have hypothesized. :wink:


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