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GT's on straw with NO potency?
    #4002108 - 04/01/05 09:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

this is probably my third grow or so. GT done on straw, spawned with WBS. Everything went fine, got some decent yields, but they mushrooms seem to have ZERO potency. Or damn close. Dosed 5 grams and got nothing, this is from multiple people. THe spores are from TLG, if it makes a difference. What could possibly cause this condition? The fruits are large, healthy, and look great....They just do nothing! Anyone ever experience this before? Kind of dissapointed, so many shrooms, that do nothing! Little to no bluing of the mushrooms either.

Anyhow, any Idea's or pointers? I spawned a new strain to straw this evening, hopefully they will come out a little different...


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: hollowellreid]
    #4002115 - 04/01/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

how much spawn did you mix w/ the straw? i assume you did a bulk grow in a rubbermaid at least a few inches deep...lets hear about your operation and maybe there will be some pointers for you. straw grown mushies are supposedly less potent than a straw/poo mixture. did you shred your straw? more info needed...


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: TODAY]
    #4002139 - 04/01/05 09:29 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Casings were done in disposable baking pans (approx (9" by 12") Using 1 pint of spawn per casing. (3 layers, bottom, middle, top) Straw was shredded, and layered to a depth of ~3-4 inches. I must have done 12 plus of these casings. After colonizing the hay completely, it was cased with 50/50 verm/coir mix (with a bit of calcium buffer). Birthed in a large Martha like cabinet, let to grow to full size (most just before dropping spores) These just have NOTHING in terms of potency. This evening i made a few casings using the strait WBS (1 QT per casing) and then cased with the same 50/50 mix. Going to see if these make any difference, but i have an odd feeling it is a mutated strain or something odd like that. Fruits are big and healthy looking, but just do nothing! I was shocked. hahah


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: hollowellreid]
    #4002157 - 04/01/05 09:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

sometimes mushrooms just throw out some non potent flushes.

I'd stay away from using just straw alone.


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4002165 - 04/01/05 09:36 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

would you suggest mixing some poo with the straw for a little greater potency?


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: hollowellreid]
    #4002166 - 04/01/05 09:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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hollowellreid said:
would you suggest mixing some poo with the straw for a little greater potency?




yeah...at least 50/50


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4002223 - 04/01/05 09:52 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

they seriously will randomly make none potent flushes? like one will be potent and the next wont?


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: 88mustanggt]
    #4002236 - 04/01/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nah it's not random. Straight straw has a record of throwing out less-than-potent shrooms.


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: Holydiver]
    #4002254 - 04/01/05 10:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

o good, get me scard, I'm thinking to myself, o shit, my arn't gunna trip! lol


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: Cray]
    #4002352 - 04/01/05 10:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I had this exact problem recently. GT from sporesource. WBS cased with 50/50 verm/peat. Fruiting was wonderful. It was my first try at GT.

Then I noticed that the fruits did not bruise blue. Not a bit. Even if I really squeezed them they were still off white (stems) after drying.

Now I'm going back to b+ and trying rye. It had to be either the substrain or the substrate, I reckon.


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: hollowellreid]
    #4002768 - 04/02/05 12:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The problem wasn?t the spores, as they grew into cubenisis mushrooms, as an apple seed should produce an apple tree.

Almost assuredly, your substrate was lacking in some (or several) fundamental elements necessary for mycelium to produce psychoactive?s, of which nitrogen is a primary precursor.


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: agar]
    #4003078 - 04/02/05 01:00 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Agar. Point taken. The brand of WBS I was using must have been lacking something. My reaction was to abandon everything that I was doing and switch, since I didn't know exactly which element was to blame.

By the way, all eating apples are cloned. If you start from seed, you will probably get a tree that produces "spitters". Too sour to eat. Reference.


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: ticktock]
    #4003341 - 04/02/05 02:12 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My reply was to hollowellreid

But, same thing. What is lacking is NITROGEN (my opinion). H/poo has PLENTY  :thumbup: If you have a source, use it.


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: agar]
    #4004783 - 04/02/05 01:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have a huge source of horse poo, i was just trying to keep complexity to a minimum at this point. Guess it's time to upgrade! But anyhow, Horse poo will be my next step. Any way i can add nitrogen to these straw casings that i have already made? Or am I past that point....

Darn, but it's good to at least have an Idea of how to correct this problem. Thanks for the advice!


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: hollowellreid]
    #4004825 - 04/02/05 02:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your past that point. Nutes need to be added precolonization. The straw wont go on much longer either, expect that..


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: hollowellreid]
    #4004922 - 04/02/05 02:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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hollowellreid said:  THe spores are from TLG, if it makes a difference.  What could possibly cause this condition?  The fruits are large, healthy, and look great....They just do nothing!  Anyone ever experience this before?  Kind of dissapointed, so many shrooms, that do nothing!  Little to no bluing of the mushrooms either.



Its happened to me twice and the spores were from TLG or Micron Magic :mad:
Get your spores from Ralphster or a competant cultivator


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: PawPaw]
    #4004963 - 04/02/05 02:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Oh coincidentally...GT's on straw:



Were quite potent. Spores were from Ralphster...not that I feel TLGs spores produce non potent shrooms..other strains from them have shown that to be the case.


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: GT's on straw with NO potency? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4005043 - 04/02/05 03:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well i think the other spore suppliers were just giving crappy spores a good name ...That just hasnt ever happened with Ralph
There is a reason that Ralph is the oldest and most preferred spore supplier here...just ask the veteran cultivators here :wink:


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