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Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment?
    #4001123 - 04/01/05 05:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hello. With all this talk of adding DMT to the substrate to increase potency, I had an idea. I have a surplus of Anedenanthera Colubrina (Yopo) seeds. These seeds are supposed to contain bufotenine, 5-Meo-DMT, and DMT. If you don't know what they look like, they are a little smaller than a dime, are dark-brown/mauve on the outside and yellowish on the inside, and are rather unusual-looking in that they are flat like pancakes.

The seeds could be prepared in the same fashion one prepares rye grain, or powdered and used in the substrate. The two problems with this idea I can think of are: 1) DMT melts and boils at temperatures lower than the requisite 250 degrees fahrenheit for sterilization; and 2) The seeds alone may not contain the proper nutrients. (+pH..?)

Anyways, I'd love to hear some feedback on this idea.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #4003476 - 04/02/05 02:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have no how well they could benefit the shrooms. I was thinking that you could make a slurry of the crushed seeds or an extract of the seeds in say 12 cc of 3% H2O2 and add it to a quart jar of spawn and inoc grain to grain. I think that this might prevent contamination.
As far as using as a substrate, I doubt it has proper nutrients and water holding ability but do what you want.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: lonebuddha]
    #4003501 - 04/02/05 03:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You forget that when something is pressurized it boils at a higher temp. That is the purpose of using a PC. I don't know the chemistry behind DMT but if it is a stable compound it should be fine. You could also put the seeds in a poo/straw substrate and pasteurize it instead of sterilizing it. Would keep temps below 180.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: Smushroom]
    #4003578 - 04/02/05 03:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I meant to introduce the h2o2 and yopo slurry after sterilizing the jars. I think the h2o2 would kill the contams that may be on the the seeds.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #4003682 - 04/02/05 04:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't feel like looking up the specific temperatures at which it degrades but the seeds could be ground up into a flour and made into a PF type cake, such as people do with WBS and millet. This would bring down your sterilization temps.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: @cro]
    #4003910 - 04/02/05 06:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not that familiar anymore with what is a good ph for the water, or if adding a little acid would hurt growing mushrooms, because if you just added a little acid (vinegar, lemon juice, hcl) you would make the DMT (and 5-ho-dmt, whatever else is in the seeds) into their salt forms which are much more stable and boil at a much higher temp. I've done an extraction on these seeds, and i believe it is something like 10%+ bufotenine (5-ho-dmt) by weight, but who knows maybe the shroom enzymes would do something with it.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: radio879]
    #4004356 - 04/02/05 11:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the suggestions, guys. If I have any kind of results, of course I'll post them immediately.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: Smushroom]
    #4014976 - 04/05/05 12:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you put a DMT rich substance into a pasteurization pot, the acidity of the compost will make the DMT dissolve quite well, and you'll end up leeching DMT from the substrate and having a DMT soup. If you do this, put in a whole lot of DMt containing materials.


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Re: Yopo seeds for yet another DMT experiment? [Re: SoopaX]
    #4017591 - 04/05/05 04:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i believe i read a recipe that involved using neutralized ayahuasca when mixing the substrate. That would mean that the dmt and such would be in a salt form from being mixed with strong acids but im not sure if neutralizing it would convert it back out of salt form.


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