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urgent math problem i need help getting solved
#3999264  04/01/05 10:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


Hello all, this problem has been cauing me to pull my bloody hairs out..
Naturalists find that the poplulations of some kinds of predatory animals vary periodically. Assume that the population of foxes in a certain forest varies sinusoidally with time. Records started being kept when time t = 0. A minimum number, 200 foxes, occured when t = 2.9 years. The next maximum, 800 foxes, occured at t = 5.1 years.
a.) Sketch a graph of this sinuoid. b.) Write an equation expressing the number of foxes as a function of time, t. c.) Predict the population when t = 7 d.) Foxes are declared to be an endangered species when their population drops below 300. Between what two nonnegative values of t were foxes first endangered?
I do not know how this graph should look like... as in whether it should be sine or cosine, and how I would properly show the minimums and maximums. Any help with any aspect of this problem would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999277  04/01/05 10:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


Damn! I just had a quiz on this yesterday...give me few minutes

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: Boom]
#3999288  04/01/05 10:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


thanks man
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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999293  04/01/05 10:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


>>as in whether it should be sine or cosine.
They are the same.... translate the sine along the x axis and it will be a cosine.
sin(x)=cos(x+0.5pi)

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: Annom]
#3999328  04/01/05 11:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


Damn I had trig last semester, can't remember shit...
As Annom said, you can write two equations, one with sin or cosine, and they;ll both be 100% right, just that the sin starts at the origin, and the cosine starts at the maximum, and falls.
Sin=cosine, just cosine is shifted half a period to the left
I forget how to make formuals, but you have everything you need...
The graph is shifted up so that the max is 800 and the min is 200, so I think in the equation the max would be 300??
I'm sorrrry

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999343  04/01/05 11:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


number of foxes(t) = 300*cos[pi/2.2(t5.1)]+500

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: Boom]
#3999347  04/01/05 11:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


It's alright, thanks for tryin though.
How do you figure the equation to be 300? I haven't done this shit in a few months and all of a sudden we have a few problems to do as "project" thing, and this was one of them... due in 1 hour =X
For the graph, would the 200 as the minimum go below the line? I mean, doesn't the horizontal line represent 0? So it wouldn't make much sense for it to be below it. Now my question is, if it's not below it, then how am I properly supposed to draw the sin/cosine curve? I'm havin a damn hard time with this problem.
    
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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999351  04/01/05 11:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


I got 200 for t=7, might be wrong tho
Dammit today is my day off from brain activity

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999378  04/01/05 11:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


number of foxes(t) = 300*cos[pi/2.2(t5.1)]+500
It's hard for me to explain it in English.
The amplitude is increased by a factor 300; that's why every outcome of a normal cos has to be multiplied by 300.
The max for cos(x) is at x=0 and now it should be at 5.1; this is a translation along to x axis to the right, thus t5.1 .
The period is 2*(5.12.9) = 4.4 and the normal period of cos(x) is 2pi. The period is thus increased with a factor 2pi/4.4.
And the middle point of the cos is translated along the y axis and should now be 500; thus the outcome +500.

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999384  04/01/05 11:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


thanks for the equation annom
booooom, do you mind explaining how you got 200 for t = 7?
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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: Annom]
#3999386  04/01/05 11:19 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


I arrived at the same conclusion only I have foxes(t) = 300*cos[pi/2.2(t0.7)]+500

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999391  04/01/05 11:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


The population for t=7 is ~227

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999394  04/01/05 11:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


I wrote some shitty little graph
800 as the max, 200 as the min, where the x axis intercepts the y I called this 500.
Then I put 5.1 as the end of the period (where the max is hit) then i blah blah blah
Do what Annom said

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: cybrbeast]
#3999403  04/01/05 11:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


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cybrbeast said: I arrived at the same conclusion only I have foxes(t) = 300*cos[pi/2.2(t0.7)]+500
That's just one peroid(4.4) less to the right; it's the same....

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: cybrbeast]
#3999406  04/01/05 11:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


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cybrbeast said: The population for t=7 is ~227
Would you like to smoke my new Hookah with me tonight?

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999410  04/01/05 11:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


lol werd
cyberbeast, can you please tell me how you got t0.7? your equation is identical to that of annoms except for that...
also, can you please explain to me how you got ~227 for t = 7?
tahnks again guys for helpin me out!
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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: Annom]
#3999411  04/01/05 11:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


Most definately

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999420  04/01/05 11:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


Annom already gave the answer Maybe this site will help you http://math.la.asu.edu/~walker/mat170/homework/sine_curves.htm
t=7 foxes(t) = 300*cos[pi/2.2(70.7)]+500 = 227.1104 etc

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999433  04/01/05 11:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


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phEight said: lol werd
cyberbeast, can you please tell me how you got t0.7? your equation is identical to that of annoms except for that...
also, can you please explain to me how you got ~227 for t = 7?
tahnks again guys for helpin me out!
A cosine is 'duplicated' every one period. The equation gives the same outcome at x+one period. The period of foxes(t) is 4.4. So 300*cos[pi/2.2(t0.7)]+500 and 300*cos[pi/2.2(t5.1)]+500 and 300*cos[pi/2.2(t9.5)]+500 are all the same.
foxes(7)=300*cos[pi/2.2(70.7)]+500 = 227.11

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Re: urgent math problem i need help getting solved [Re: phEight]
#3999439  04/01/05 11:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) 


Between t=2.311 and t=3.489 the foxes were first endangered.

