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Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image?
    #3998240 - 04/01/05 01:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I wanted to get a small air cleaner to cut down on the dust and possible mold etc that is probably floating around my room right now. I was considering the small desk version of the ionic breeze model from sharper image. They claim that the unit contains a "UVC light" that kills all bacteria and mold. This is what they say on their site:
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What is ultraviolet germicidal irradiation?
All light is measured in wavelengths ? ranging from the invisible ultraviolet through the visible and up to infrared. Germicidal UV-C is at 254 nanometers and its photons have just the right wavelength to physically destroy the DNA of microorganisms. Ultraviolet germicidal protection is a safe, hospital tested technology that uses lamps resembling ordinary fluorescent tubes to generate UVC light to kill bacteria, mold spores and viruses. Microorganisms cannot develop immunity to UVC, and viruses are readily rendered noninfectious by UVC light.




Does anyone with some experience in this field know if these claims are true? Or, is there a better air cleaner I can get for $200 or less?


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: PowerTrip]
    #3998504 - 04/01/05 03:40 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly commercial products seem like crap for myco production. Commerical / Business products seem like the way to go. For instance, a flow hood is necessary if you go into this hobby hardcore, and those are only either made from hand or purchased a preassembled product.

You can buy uv lights to clean the air before hand, but just a room cleaner seems like a waste of money.

Certain industrial products are much cheaper, like the simco aerostat xc for ionizing purposes. Flow hoods are all over ebay for $100-200 bucks. Just getting some hepa ionizing sharper image thing is only going to work so well. You want 100% clean air for these kind of projects and those filters are only so good for cleaning a entire room and don't give 100% results for a specific area.

And UV lights do kill everything living, that includes your skin cells and myco tissue, spores, etc. It causes cancer on the skin if exposed I learned today. The simple fact is that it will work well for the environment but you want something 100% for doing this kind of stuff.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: Fluxburn]
    #3998543 - 04/01/05 03:56 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

if i where you ide make a laminar flowhood, but if your fixed on something store purchased i would get something that has a actual filter. i think ionizers are not a good route.

swim used one of the holmes large room air cleaners (round ones intended for 12x15 rooms) in a bleached closet with a air diverter worked perfect for him



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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: PowerTrip]
    #3998917 - 04/01/05 08:13 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That unit has no fan, so - it is slow & doesnt move volumes of air - fast. UV is good within very well contained protective limits. But, the strong ones are dangerious, as UV light exposure to skin & eyes causes CANCER.

I have used UV in metal air ducts on exhaust side of a hepa filter, feeding a positive pressure grow chamber, with great results. But, you better know what you are doing, if/when you install such things.

Ionozers like a Simco are kick ass for ONE THING & move large volumes of air. What doesnt stick to internal plates, is charged & sticks to room surfaces, where sanitizing agents can kill it.

If a working area is ALL HARD surfaces (like formica kitchen counter laminates & flooring). You can run a Simco, then spray hard surfaces with a effective sanatizing agent.

I run a Simco, plus large room size hepa, plus do clean work in a hepa flow/hood.

Contamination rate is NOMINAL.

But, it takes a tight & 100% hard surfaced room - to get there.

If you have roughed up stucco type ceiling, wall paper, cloth curtains or drapes, carpet on the floor, cloth covered chairs or anything like that in your clean room work area. They defeat all those things. As all are dormant spore mold & contamination magnets, that puff out that contam crap like a bellows, anytime you walk on/touch/sit/use them :mad2:.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: ]
    #3999827 - 04/01/05 01:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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if i where you ide make a laminar flowhood, but if your fixed on something store purchased i would get something that has a actual filter. i think ionizers are not a good route.

swim used one of the holmes large room air cleaners (round ones intended for 12x15 rooms) in a bleached closet with a air diverter worked perfect for him






I like that alot :thumbup: Turns a whole room into a flow cabnent.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4001661 - 04/01/05 07:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I am a simple small scale personal use grower. I grow in my bedroom and I am never going to achieve a completely sterile grow room by doing this. I try to be as sterile as I can by using disinfectants and keeping too many new contams from entering my room, but I am not trying to be professional about this at the moment. I just wanted to get an air cleaner to help contribute to creating a more sterile environment than the one I currently have (this is actually my first grow and I haven't had a contam yet). I looked into some HEPA type filters and they seem to be more in the price range of $400+. I just want something that I can use around my PMP to help reduce the contams floating around. I'm thinking maybe I could set my air pump right in front of the air cleaner so it will be taking in more sterile air to fill my chamber with. Considering the price and the fact that I wont ever have to replace expensive filters, the sharper image with the UVC light seems like a pretty good deal.

EDIT: This is the air cleaner I am looking at if anyone wants to take a look. Ionic Breeze GP Desktop


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: PowerTrip]
    #4001859 - 04/01/05 08:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

whatever if u have the money go for it I guess. You get a hepa home unit for less but whatever/.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: ]
    #4001865 - 04/01/05 08:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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mechmono said:
if i where you ide make a laminar flowhood, but if your fixed on something store purchased i would get something that has a actual filter. i think ionizers are not a good route.

swim used one of the holmes large room air cleaners (round ones intended for 12x15 rooms) in a bleached closet with a air diverter worked perfect for him






do u mean diver?


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: agar]
    #4001924 - 04/01/05 08:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

agar told me all about the Simco Ionizers.

I just picked up a Simco off Ebay.

I offered the guy $20.00 plus shipping...and he took the offer.

They will probably have more up soon...look for Simco 4002612 Aerostat XC Ionizer
The seller is hammerheadtech

good luck!~


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4001992 - 04/01/05 08:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

fuck sharper image.

this is what im rockin'.

http://surroundair.com/ionic-air-purifier.htm

and its one bad motherfucker.

its under 200 bucks right now.

its fucking excellent for what youre looking for. you wont be disappointed, in fact youll shit yourself with astonishment. 5 stage filter is carbon pre-filter, hepa filter, then a UV behind that, pin ionizer as opposed to plates, and an ozone generator. 3 flow settings and 3 ozone generator settings (including the option of running the unit without the ozone gen) both low, med, and high. also 3 timer settings with, of course, the option of continuous running.

nothing replaces a flowhood for certain apps, but for a general air purifier that is to run 24/7, i am yet to see anything better.

as for "expensive replacement filters", fuck what the commercials tell you. replacement filters arent all that much at all, not just for this model. this model is 32 dollars for a replacement filter, thats the carbon and the hepa. the filter lasts 1 or 2 years. i bought a top of the line nuclear facility grade hepa to make a flowhood with for prob half what they say home unit filter replacements cost. go to meijer or something and take a look at just how cheap shit really is.

ps-im not a paid salesperson, im just a happy customer.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4002015 - 04/01/05 08:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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ps-im not a paid salesperson, im just a happy customer.





lolzz

you should be a salesman...I'd buy one with that pitch!~

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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: PowerTrip]
    #4002681 - 04/01/05 11:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I read that ozone crap, sounded scary to build but I guess it works


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4002809 - 04/02/05 12:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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this is what im rockin'.




Damn. That is looking pretty nice. Thanks for the info man. I'm going to read up on that one. How do you usually run yours as far as the settings?


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: PowerTrip]
    #4002872 - 04/02/05 12:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

you can also just buy ozone units that cost about $70 used instead of building one, might be safer.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: agar]
    #4003829 - 04/02/05 05:48 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Agar and Road,

The Simco makes perfect sense for a cleanroom (I've been looking for one for some time after seeing agar post a pic a while back :wink:), but just as you said agar, it has to be HARD surfaces. 
For clean rooms, this is generally feasible.  It's pretty easy to EMPTY out a bathroom when needed or just keep one empty (as in my case)

However, what about for your general (carpeted) grow area?  What is the best choice of air purification to go with in that case?

The difference for most (especially apartment dwellers and renters) is that for a grow room (where you stalk your bulk tubs, PMP, Martha, Fridge, etc) is that it is often carpeted.

Then it would seem that an ionizer would NOT be the best way to go...like agar said you defeat your whole purpose with every step.

A HEPA always seemed like a carpet would be death for the filter.

What then would be the best way to clean the air in a carpeted room? 

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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: mushroommark]
    #4003929 - 04/02/05 06:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

it is always pref to have all hard non-porous surfaces. its also pref to have as much continuous open space in the room as possible. you know, like set everything up against the walls so that there arent obstructions of air flow when filtering.

however, i doubt this person would like to get rid of their bed, clothes, plastic their carpet/replace it with hard flooring, take down draperies and curtains, et cetera. it doesnt sound like theyre doing 40 agar plates + transfers or anything very sensitive. prob just 'nocing jars and using a pmp. not much more. maybe making syringes and stuff. i dont think they want much more than a good glovebox and a nice little filter. keep in mind they were considering a desktop version of an ionic breeze and is doing a pmp in a bedroom. they wont be putting their pmp in the bathroom, but i could see them setting up a glovebox in there from time to time.

i run the both the general filter and the ozone on high with no timer. the whole place smells like band-aids or the hospital or what have you. itll fit on the desk though its a little larger than the desk ionic breeze. capreting, clothing, cats, and shit like that arent the greatest for your hepa, but the prefilter helps a great deal. same principle as with a flowhood, use a prefilter or the life of the hepa drops dramatically.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4004594 - 04/02/05 01:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My bedroom actually has hard wood floors and not carpet so I'm somewhat better off in that respect. I was mostly curious about the ozone feature. Is ozone safe for the mushrooms? Is it bad for me to breath too much of it?


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    #4005366 - 04/02/05 05:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

the ozone is not so heavy as to cause damage to you or the mushies.


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: mushroommark]
    #4005602 - 04/02/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If you can afford it. Go to HomeDepot, Lowes or any store like that. Look in linoleum section (floor covering). You can find pre/cut pieces of thin (but nice)linoleum in rolls size 8X10, 10X12 & so on.

Simply empty room, unroll & lay linoleum OVER THE CARPET. Tack down with large upolstery type tacks.  :thumbup:

Or, buy roll of 4 mil plastic (10X100) for around $20. Empty room, lay double or triple layer of plastic over carpet & tack down. Then - buy plastic carpet runner (about 3 ft wide in rolls) & tack down in areas that get heavy trafic. :thumbup:


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Re: Which air cleaner should I get? Sharper image? [Re: agar]
    #4007034 - 04/03/05 01:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

good idea on the linoleum, thought of plastic but never this.--k


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