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OfflineGrizzy
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Blind people on acid
    #3995638 - 03/31/05 04:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If blind people(who were born that way) - have never seen anything - would they see stuff on LSD?

I'm thinking if they never saw the color red, green, or blue. If they never saw a pattern, a rock, a square, a circle...

What would they experience? Isn't that a trip to even think about?


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Grizzy]
    #3995653 - 03/31/05 04:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I wondered the same thing!!!
I was also wondering if the new sense would be too intense of an experience for them.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: fotia]
    #3995667 - 03/31/05 04:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've also wondered this many times, there has to be a blind from birth person out there that has tripped before.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: discoabe]
    #3995689 - 03/31/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

ok all you blind people that have tripped before post your comments  :rotfl:


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: danlennon3]
    #3995706 - 03/31/05 04:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yes they can. A study was done on cats who had their eyes removed when kittens. When given LSD they would bat at things in the air and play with invisable things.

Cruel, but there ya go.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: thenewuser]
    #3995728 - 03/31/05 04:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Very fuckin cool observation.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Grizzy]
    #3995809 - 03/31/05 04:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Wow that would be cool for people that were born blind and then they take lsd and see for the first time.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: dfslkfsd]
    #3995821 - 03/31/05 04:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

what a thought to ponder.. i don't even know what to think.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: dfslkfsd]
    #3995824 - 03/31/05 04:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What about deaf people? And those people that have extremely low physical senses (ie some people have been born with some kind of disorder that allows them to feel no physical pain)?


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: fotia]
    #3996021 - 03/31/05 05:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Now thats just cool to think about. Actually makes me less scared of ever becoming blind now haha. Must be truly amazing expierience for life-long blind people to do psychedelics. I imagine a shroom trip would be particuallry profound


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: ShroomySam]
    #3996060 - 03/31/05 05:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, that thing about the cat - that's hella cool.  Wow.

drgnz - your use of the F word was actually quite approriate there.  I'm usually "anti-cussing", but that sentence just "fits".  I dig.
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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Grizzy]
    #3997376 - 03/31/05 09:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

hmmmm, that a thinker. wish i knew a blind person willing to trip


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Grizzy]
    #3997400 - 03/31/05 10:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, they would see things.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Grizzy]
    #3997453 - 03/31/05 10:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

i dont think they would

vision is not just part of your eyes
its a part of your brain that forms early on.  If you never have anything to see, that part doesnt really form, and so i dont think psychedelics would be able to activate any visual part of the brain that wasnt there

in one example i remember learning about a kitten who was placed in a box with only vertical stripes inside it during the key period of brain formation. This prevented their brains from forming many areas of the brain to see/recognize anything but verticle lines. It was let out a lot later, and seemed unable to see and recognize any verticle lines.  Same thing with horizontal lines

It seems to me that there wouldn't be many visual parts of the brain for the LSD to activate. 

This is what i've gathered from the brain and behavior class i took a couple years ago.  Of course this is just a hypothesis...we'd need a blind person and some lsd to test it out :smile: 

not like they would know if they were seeing anything anyway though....


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Help on the Way]
    #3997808 - 03/31/05 11:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well, if their blindness was due to damaged opic nerves I'm sure they'd see stuff.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: danlennon3]
    #3997917 - 04/01/05 12:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

danlennon3 said:
ok all you blind people that have tripped before post your comments  :rotfl:




Horrible but I'm rofl


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: thenewuser]
    #3998309 - 04/01/05 01:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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thenewuser said:
Yes they can. A study was done on cats who had their eyes removed when kittens. When given LSD they would bat at things in the air and play with invisable things.

Cruel, but there ya go.


i thought animals lack the neurological equipment to trip?


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: liveby]
    #3998331 - 04/01/05 02:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

liveby - They trip out.  They swing at a mouse AFTER it already ran past, like it's going for the trails or something.  You ever see "bad trip to edgewood"?

Check it out, and you can say you have seen a cat on acid.

Hell, the Jaguars willing take the Yaje(sp?) leaf, and it's thought to increase their hunting skills.  Monkey pass around milipede's like joints(because the bugs put out a narcotic) and then the little monkeys get their eyes glazed over and just chill out.  Cool.  :smile:


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Grizzy]
    #3998396 - 04/01/05 02:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What I wonder is this:

This is going to be hard to put into words, but I'll try. When you think of yourself--your mental self, I suppose--where is it located? I tend to think of ME being where my field of vision comes from. I don't really know how to explain this, but I think of my mind and all my thoughts coming from right behind my eyes. When I imagine things in my head, it is much the same. Though not using my eyes, whatever I imagine is located where my field of vision would be.

Now, do blind people have this same feeling? Or do they feel as though they exist...I guess in something like 360 degrees in all directions...

Does this make any sense?

Also, I myself have never tripped, but when you do, is it ever possible to see from all around you at once? I think it would be beautiful to see all around the room at the same time.


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Re: Blind people on acid [Re: Grizzy]
    #3998401 - 04/01/05 02:30 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Grizzy said:
Monkey pass around milipede's like joints(because the bugs put out a narcotic) and then the little monkeys get their eyes glazed over and just chill out.  Cool.  :smile:




its good to see our lower primate friends are having fun with narcotics too


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