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    #3995144 - 03/31/05 02:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Andresko13]
    #3995149 - 03/31/05 02:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml

If you thought the last trip was too light then take some more. :tongue:


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3995313 - 03/31/05 02:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/12195

here is a good GUIDE on doseage and some good comparisons. enjoy.


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    #3995427 - 03/31/05 03:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Andresko13]
    #3995447 - 03/31/05 03:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Odds are it was cubensis, if you bought them.


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Andresko13]
    #4011254 - 04/04/05 02:49 AM (12 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Andresko13]
    #4011733 - 04/04/05 07:13 AM (12 years, 28 days ago)

cubensis are by far the most common variety; the vast majority of shrooms sold will be cubensis. take 3 or 3.5g and see how it goes.

the only other species i've tried is p. azurescens, and they were damn strong. i only had 15g wet and it was one of my strongest shroom trips ever. usually it takes me 40g+ wet of cubies to get going. copelandia cyanescencs are supposedly the strongest species (the infamous hawaiians), but i've never tried them.


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4011737 - 04/04/05 07:18 AM (12 years, 28 days ago)

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HeavyToilet said:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml

If you thought the last trip was too light then take some more. :tongue:




^^^^Please note that these do not represent average values for widely sampled populations^


Here are the results of a Dutch research:







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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Annom]
    #4015937 - 04/05/05 07:00 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Not really helpful, since one of those tables shows a mushroom labelled 'hawaiian' as being much more potent than azurescens...

Woodlovers are the strongest by light years... Ps.azurscens, cyanescens, subaeruginosa, aucklandii etc...


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #4016046 - 04/05/05 08:18 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

Why is it not really helpful? It contains only one measurement of Psilocybe Azurescens, so you can't say anything about the average potency of Psilocybe Azurescens.

I read the dutch report (I can post it if you want) and I think they used a very good and reliable research method.


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #4016175 - 04/05/05 09:42 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

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bluemeanie said:
Not really helpful, since one of those tables shows a mushroom labelled 'hawaiian' as being much more potent than azurescens...

Woodlovers are the strongest by light years... Ps.azurscens, cyanescens, subaeruginosa, aucklandii etc...




hawaiians are generally copelandia cyanescens (aka panaeolus cyanescens), and are very potent. i don't know if they're more potent than azurescens, but i don't think there's much in it.


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Annom]
    #4016300 - 04/05/05 10:37 AM (12 years, 27 days ago)

*sigh*

Since nobody would, I volunteered for the job.

Annom's graph showed 11 samples of Psilocybe Cubensis as sold in headshops in Holland. It calculated the weight in all possible ways but the one we do. We calculate from psilocin to psilocybin, the opposite of what they did.
So what did they find regarding commercial cubies:



Psilocybin-equivalents in dried Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms.

Weakest shrooms: 1.7mg Psilocybin equiv./gram
Strongest shrooms: 11.2mg Psilocybin equiv./gram
Average strength: 5.8mg psilocybin equiv./gram


So to say it nifty:

average cubies as they are sold contain on average 6mg psilocybin per dried gram, but may be three times weaker or twice as strong.

Never let good, relevant, data go to waste!
Thanks ANNOM for providing the facts from the analytical laboratory.


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Andresko13]
    #4016719 - 04/05/05 12:47 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

The question concerning the alledged Hawaiian: Is this the Hawaiian P. Cubensis which only occurs in vitro indoors in Hawaii or is it the Cope cyan Hawaiian grown throuoghout the Nederlands?

Also, the clinical dosage for Psilocybe cyubensis has not really changed in the past 48 years since Dr. Sam I Stein wrote and reported the first bad mushroom experinece after consuming in his lab, 5 dried grams of in vitro Psilocybe cubensis. At that time it was determined that 3-5 dried grasm would be the average clinical doasge.

3 1/2 for in vitro and 5 for naturally occuring shrooms.

Bigwood and Beug did some of the best cube analysis here in the PNW. here is the frerference to that work which is posted somewhere in a thread by me in the Shroomery Forums. Search for it and see . Not sure where.

Bigwood, Jeremy and Michael W. Beug. 1982. Variation of psilocybin and psilocin levels with repeated flushes (harvests) of mature sporocarps of Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer. Journal of Ethnopharmacology vol. 5(3):287-291. May.
Analysis of Psilocybe cubensis grown in controlled cultures and the variation of tryptamine compounds from the 1st to the 4th flush.

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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4016909 - 04/05/05 01:32 PM (12 years, 27 days ago)

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The question concerning the alledged Hawaiian: Is this the Hawaiian P. Cubensis which only occurs in vitro indoors in Hawaii or is it the Cope cyan Hawaiian grown throuoghout the Nederlands?





It's the copelandia cyanescens.


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Re: P. cubensis potency *DELETED* [Re: alsey]
    #4024919 - 04/07/05 05:16 AM (12 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #4025662 - 04/07/05 12:21 PM (12 years, 25 days ago)

I never said that Panaeolus cyanescens is more potent than Ps. azurescens. You said that the dutch research wasn't helpful and I explained why it is helpful.


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Re: P. cubensis potency [Re: Annom]
    #4032615 - 04/08/05 11:39 PM (12 years, 24 days ago)

Soryy mate - nuffin personal. i just meant that it wasnt that helpful - but my second reply was to Alsey's post.


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