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OfflineFleaAccela
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current state of hiphop
    #3981418 - 03/28/05 08:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hiphop, not "radio rap". any comments on nelly and the sorts don't belong here.

anyone enjoying the jazz fusion/funk influenced beats coming out of the west coast from the stones throw camp via madlib and peanut butter wolf?


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: FleaAccela]
    #3982603 - 03/29/05 12:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i liek some...presonalyl i think the tu pac/biggy days are long over :frown:


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: kadakuda]
    #3982948 - 03/29/05 01:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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kadakuda said:
i liek some...presonalyl i think the tu pac/biggy days are long over :frown:




Tupac spelled backwards is caput.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3983449 - 03/29/05 02:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

madvillainy is the best hiphop album released thusfar in the last 5 years. wow, unbelievable. madlib's beats are sick to frikkin death, doom is incredibly smart, honest and funny on the mic and the little interludes are great.

america's most blunted, and boy they aint lyin'.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: FleaAccela]
    #3983537 - 03/29/05 02:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think the tu pac/biggy days are long over  :frown:

I would personally put a : ) at the end, but hey..

madvillainy is the best hiphop album released thusfar in the last 5 years.

agreed. MF Doom is in King Geedorah too, shizza


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3983796 - 03/29/05 03:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Zekebomb said:
i think the tu pac/biggy days are long over  :frown:

I would personally put a : ) at the end, but hey..




hmmm, the biggie/tupac situation is funny. personally, i think they single handedly put hiphop in a coma for years long before thier deaths and almost killed hiphop all by themselves.

tupac i have no remorse for, i didnt like his music, his attitude or his lifestyle. he was the type of guy to write a song about him doing something he had never done before and then felt the need to live up to his repuatation so he would go out and actually be the cowboy he had pretended to be in the song he had recorded a few weeks earlier. ive heard the "hes a poet, he had good messages, ect" from many a person. wont change my opinion. i think he was trash.

biggie on the other hand had a nice flow, could freestyle his ass of and made a pretty nice contribution to hiphop on his solo debut. i mean, i like him, but he is certainly in no way "the king" of hiphop, just another mc. but his followup life after death was petty in comparison. perhaps its the production works of easy mo bee, premier and lord finesse that really drive this album for me. besides, puffy daddy is one of satan's minions and people should not involve themselves with this guy, buisness, movies, whatever. not good.


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madvillainy is the best hiphop album released thusfar in the last 5 years.

agreed. MF Doom is in King Geedorah too, shizza




even give you more zip-zip than zz-top!

the hour is upon us, it's bannanas!


the mmm food album says it the best :
"keep a shirt on, it needs some button up
yuck
is they rappers or strippin males?
out of work jerks since they shut down chippendales"

hmmmmm....



50 cent anyone?

or mabey

"mc's sound like cheerleaders"



yes, mf doom drops the facts without droppin names. and goddamnit, we know who the hell he's talkin about. it's so obvious. not these guys specifically, but just in general, we know he's talkin about everyone like these guys.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: FleaAccela]
    #3984293 - 03/29/05 07:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Madvillany. 




:werd:

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not these guys specifically, but just in general, we know he's talkin about everyone like these guys.




Its not even the top 40 guys anymore either.  Even the so-called "underground" is infested.  ex:I swear Mike Jonez has the vocab of a gnat.  How many fucking times can this asshole say his own name in each of his tracks and get away with it?  Mike Jonezzzzz....Miiike Joooneezzz.  Last decent hip-hop to come out of Texas was UGK.


The form is dying but won't ever go away.  A good analogy is how heavy metal in the late 80s became a cookie cutter clown act and everybody made the same worthless garbage.  Things will turn around in a few years.  In the meantime we'll just have to wait for the tide.


I did like mos def's new album as far as mainstream shit is concerned.  It rubbed me the wrong way at first. I wouldn't even call it true hip-hop but after a few listens I thinks its a good jazzy album and is different from most shit being put out; at least he's trying something.  Got bad reveiws but fuck music journalists and journalists in general for that matter.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3984474 - 03/29/05 10:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm really diggin the new Sage Francis album...


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: seethe303]
    #3984584 - 03/29/05 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm liking RJD2's latest and his Soul Position album with Blueprint.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3984873 - 03/29/05 01:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The form is dying but won't ever go away.

I kind of have the feeling that the form is on the upswing. It's hard to say anything really until we have the benifit of hindsight.

I would also like to add a few props for k-os. Some of it's kinda cheesed-out but mostly it's pretty good (if radio-friendly).


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3985163 - 03/29/05 02:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hmmm, i heard the dej jux sampler for 2005 with a track by rjd2 on it. it sounded like fucking 80's synthrock. fuckin awful, check the sampler on slsk, its probally on there. if not, hit me with a PM and ill get it to you.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: FleaAccela]
    #3985431 - 03/29/05 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, I heard two tracks by rjd2 and liked neither. didn't give them much of a chance, I'll admit. Plus I wasn't high on exstacy or anything. So there's a general consensus that rjd2 is filed under hip-hop? Where do we draw such lines?


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3985577 - 03/29/05 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, since RJD2 did just recently do a hip hop album with MC Blueprint (as mentioned earlier - Soul Position), then I think we can file it under hip hop.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: lukeboots]
    #3986033 - 03/29/05 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Some of my favorites:

Eyedea
Hieroglyphics
Binary Star
Blackalicious
Slug/Atmosphere
Styles of Beyond
Micranots

Its good stuff altough i mostly listen to other genres.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: PeyoteZen]
    #3986125 - 03/29/05 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the only hip hop i listen to is outkast, but more their older shit.
rap died with tupac...(ya it is still there but underground , which is the shit).
BAD RAP IS HIP HOP AND GOOD HIP HOP IS RAP.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: FleaAccela]
    #3986462 - 03/29/05 08:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

aesop rock just came out with Fast Cars, Danger, Fire And Knives EP within the last couple weeks, its some good shit. good shit isnt gone, you just have to sift through the garbage.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: lilbilski4life]
    #3986513 - 03/29/05 08:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'm still of the belief that rap is what mc's do, and hip hop is a style of music.

granted, "rap" has turned into into a fairly boring and mainstream psuedo-hip hop lately

but of course, i'm just some white kid on the internet, doesn't really matter what i call it :smile2:


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: relativexistance]
    #3986517 - 03/29/05 08:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Aesop Rock is good shit. :thumbup:


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3986536 - 03/29/05 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Zekebomb said:So there's a general consensus that rjd2 is filed under hip-hop? Where do we draw such lines?




thats a good goddamn question. what constitutes hiphop and what doesnt. hmmm. well, this question can easily be answered by looking at the four BASIC elements of hiphop : breaking, mc'ing, dj'ing and graffiti. since rjd2 is in fact a hiphop dj, he is easily filed under hiphop.


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Re: current state of hiphop [Re: lilbilski4life]
    #3988432 - 03/30/05 01:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

BAD RAP IS HIP HOP AND GOOD HIP HOP IS RAP.

or vise versa


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