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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE!
    #3979379 - 03/28/05 07:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quick! Somebody call Kevin Bacon!


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Last year our supporters helped raise attention to an outrageous abuse of power in Racine, Wisconsin, where hundreds of music fans were ticketed for being in a crowded nightclub where a few people used drugs. Those ticketed had no drugs on them. The police didn?t even have any evidence that they had ever used drugs. Their only ?crime? was dancing at a nightclub where other people who used drugs were arrested. Although only three drug arrests were made, police issued citations to 445 innocent attendees with a penalty of $968 each for being "patrons of a disorderly house." Thanks to a public outcry from people like you, work by the Drug Policy Alliance, and an ACLU lawsuit, the citations were ultimately dismissed.

Now, it has happened again; this time in Flint, Michigan. On Saturday the local police raided a popular nightclub, Club What?s Next, and ticketed hundreds of music fans who were attending a dance night known as ?Getting Lucky? (the DJs included Halluci-Nate, Sparkimus Prime, White Rabbit, Captain Cheddar and California's Dj Primo.) While some people were arrested for possessing or selling illegal drugs, most people were ticketed for ?frequenting a drug establishment,? a misdemeanor offense.

That?s right. In Flint, Michigan (and many other cities) if you go out dancing on a Saturday night and the police happen to arrest other people at the club for drugs, you could be charged with a drug crime even though you had nothing to do with drugs. These innocent party-goers now face up to 90 days in jail and a $500 fine. They also face a criminal record with all the legal and social barriers that brings. Several people that were at the club that night told us club-goers were also subjected to strip searches, including full cavity searches ? even though they had nothing to do with drugs. Imagine the police walking into your favorite bar or nightclub and subjecting you to a strip search for no reason! Imagine spending 90 days in jail or paying a $500 fine for dancing!


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3979404 - 03/28/05 08:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

wow.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #3979503 - 03/28/05 10:19 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Young_but_cool said:
wow.




I second that


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3979584 - 03/28/05 11:16 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sooooo... if I drive on a road, and somebody else has a wreck, I should still get a ticket, even though I was five cars back and had nothing to do with the accident... clever. I have heard of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I never thought they would actually make it illegal. Idiots.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Seuss]
    #3979780 - 03/28/05 12:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Here's some more information that was in the email I got from DPAlliance:

Last year our supporters helped raise attention to an outrageous abuse of power in Racine, Wisconsin, where hundreds of music fans were ticketed for being in a crowded nightclub where a few people used drugs. Those ticketed had no drugs on them. The police didn?t even have any evidence that they had ever used drugs. Their only ?crime? was dancing at a nightclub where other people who used drugs were arrested. Although only three drug arrests were made, police issued citations to 445 innocent attendees with a penalty of $968 each for being "patrons of a disorderly house." Thanks to a public outcry from people like you, work by the Drug Policy Alliance, and an ACLU lawsuit, the citations were ultimately dismissed.

Now, it has happened again; this time in Flint, Michigan. On Saturday the local police raided a popular nightclub, Club What?s Next, and ticketed music fans who were attending a dance night known as ?Getting Lucky? (the DJs included Halluci-Nate, Sparkimus Prime, White Rabbit, Captain Cheddar and California's Dj Primo.) While some people were arrested for possessing or selling illegal drugs, most people were ticketed for ?frequenting a drug establishment,? a misdemeanor offense.

Speak out against this abuse of power now.

That?s right. In Flint, Michigan (and many other cities) if you go out dancing on a Saturday night and the police happen to arrest other people at the club for drugs, you could be charged with a drug crime even though you had nothing to do with drugs. These innocent party-goers now face up to 90 days in jail and a $500 fine. They also face a criminal record with all the legal and social barriers that brings. Several people at the club that night told us club-goers were also subjected to strip searches, including full cavity searches ? even though they had nothing to do with drugs. Imagine the police walking into your favorite bar or nightclub and making you submit to a strip search for no reason! Imagine spending 90 days in jail or paying a $500 fine for dancing!

The raid on Club What?s Next was conducted by Flint's Special Operations and Crime Area Target Team units, along with the Flint Area Narcotics Group and the Genesee County Sheriff's Posse. We?re looking into whether or not federal Byrne grant money helped finance the raids. (On a side note, any law enforcement agency that has the word ?posse? in it should be suspect).

You can send a message that this type of action is unacceptable by doing two things:

1) Contact the Flint City Council and Mayor and let them know how appalled you are that the city mistreats music fans and allows the police to punish people for the crimes of others.

2) Forward this alert to your e-mail lists and to friends and family. We need to flood the Flint political establishment with faxes and emails.

The Drug Policy Alliance would like to give a special thanks to Will Patterson at the Electronic Music Defense Fund (EM:DEF) for alerting us to this scandal. He found out about the incident because one of the club-goers filed an incident report on EM:DEF?s web site. If your rights are ever violated by the police at a music event, you can file a similar report there. Copies of incident reports go to EM:DEF, the ACLU, and the Drug Policy Alliance.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3979866 - 03/28/05 12:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Here's the kicker, Michigan is a Liberal state and Flint is a Liberal City, worse than Detroit, but Liberal nonetheless.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3979882 - 03/28/05 12:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i agree that theres cause for alarm..but dont jump to any conclusions if your not a lawyer...the questions that need to be asked are the legal grounds for the charges and whether or not they could stand in a federal court..let alone the neocon SCOTUS...otherwise..if anyone is to blame its the american voters..who are very clear on such issues...


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3979933 - 03/28/05 01:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

$$$CHA-CHING!$$$





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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3979986 - 03/28/05 01:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

THATS IT TIME TO GET KEVIN BACON AND GET FOOTLOSE ON THESE ASSHOLES!


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3980021 - 03/28/05 01:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

America! Home of the semi-free, land of the not-so-innocent!


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: DNKYD]
    #3980145 - 03/28/05 02:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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America! Home of the semi-free, land of the not-so-innocent!




lol


what's up with the whole Kevin Bacon hype? where does he fit in all of this?


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: exclusive58]
    #3980315 - 03/28/05 03:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Footloose.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3980452 - 03/28/05 03:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I blame John Ashcroft... or John Lithgow... I blame one of 'em! Staunchy non-dancers!


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Rose]
    #3981652 - 03/28/05 09:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

is there a link for this. I beleive it, I just want to spread the word and I want to be able to back this up and make sure its not hersay.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: C20H25N3O]
    #3984208 - 03/29/05 06:27 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The link is at the beginning of this thread.......


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3985755 - 03/29/05 04:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Clearly they should hold their drug-dances on the other side of the train tracks at the grain warehouse.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3987485 - 03/29/05 11:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This is sickening.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Dark_Star]
    #3988042 - 03/30/05 12:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

They're just trying to protect the common people.

Please, think of this in the way a law enforcement agent would. The people may seem innocent, but they probably had knowledge that drugs would be there, so therefore are guilty until proven innocent.


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Ravus]
    #3988661 - 03/30/05 03:07 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

>> but they probably had knowledge that drugs would be there.

i doubt that even a LEO would actually believe that..they are simply doing whatever they can to fill their quotas..unless the courts say otherwise...

but to get back on topic..assuming that the law stands in court..then under what conditions does the knowledge and intent automatically exist??...for example..if a drug offender is arrested (in posession of drugs) in a supermarket..then are all the other customers and employees on the premises also guilty of a crime?.. or is there some kind of radius within which the law is in effect?...


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Re: No dancing in Flint, Michigan... OR ELSE! [Re: Ravus]
    #3989620 - 03/30/05 12:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Please, think of this in the way a law enforcement agent would. The people may seem innocent, but they probably had knowledge that drugs would be there, so therefore are guilty until proven innocent.

That's not the point. If I go to a dance club on a Friday night I'm going there, along with hundreds of other people, to dance, not take drugs (except maybe booze). I don't think we're talking about shady warehouse raves here, we're talking about professionally owned clubs with liquor licenses. If there are 1000 people at a club and 15 of them decided to use illegal drugs that night, does that make it alright to ticket every other patron, just for being there to dance and have fun without drugs? Trust me, people are NOT thinking "Maybe I shouldn't be here, there might be people taking drugs inside", while waiting in line at the door. People aren't thinking this because they aren't responsible for what other people might be doing inside.

It's typical that this is happening in small cities too, because if this happened in New York, Miami, or Los Angeles, they would not get away with it without HUGE immediate backlash.


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