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Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow.
    #3966259 - 03/24/05 09:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I'm really excited by growing psychoactive herbs etc. To grow something yourself and then reap the benefits in the end, being a part of the whole process just like growing mushrooms.

I am interested so far in growing calea zacatechichi, san pedro cactus, datura stramonium, opium poppy, and artemisia absinthium (wormwood).If anyone has any info on growing these, where the best place to get a hold of seeds or live plants and such, please let me know.

I am also interested in hearing any recommendations on other legal psychoactive plants and herbs; what you like about them, how easy they are to grow, what conditions they require etc. Thanks in advance. :thumbup:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #3966311 - 03/24/05 09:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I know for cactus such as san pedro, it is more recommended to grow from cuttings, so getting a live plant would be far more ideal.
Does anyone have any opinions on growing san pedro (Trichocereus Pachanoi) vs peruvian torch (Trichocereus Peruvianus)? :zoom:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #3966409 - 03/24/05 10:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I would stay far, far away from datura...anticholinergic properties are much to a risk for the hallucinogenic properties. Any deleriant should be approached with much consideration. Salvia would be an excellent choice and possibly a kratom seedling. Salvia div. is a hardy plant that can take much punishment, and its effects if chosen to use in that way, are profound. Kratom is a excellent stimulant. Though it is technically a tree, you can manage to keep one of manageable size.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #3966527 - 03/24/05 10:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Psychotria/mimosa/desmanthus and cacti are very useful plants which are nice to grow, propagate and spread around. And obviously consume some of the fruits :wink:

Kratom and salvia are also very interesting plants, definitely worth getting them as they may be illegalized in the future.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: esin]
    #3966541 - 03/24/05 10:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

wild dagga

morning glory/haiwian baby woodrose

i like those two, both easy to grow..


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JCoke]
    #3967535 - 03/25/05 03:29 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the tips guys, and I'll look into these other plants you've mentioned. Also, if you'd like to tell me more about what you know of and your own experiences with these plants that'd be greatly appreciated.

Datura I know is a very dangerous plant to mess with, if I ever did use it, it would be with the most care and preparation that could be put into it. Away from civilization and done in ceremonial form. I've grown a Datura called "Angel's Trumpet", I'm not sure which species this fits into though. With Datura it is more about growing this amazing plant for it's rich history than ever thinking about ingesting anything from it.

Edit: I tried posting some pictures of Datura Stramonium and Datura Inoxia, but I don't think it worked... Anyways, I think the Angel's Trumpet I grew was Datura Inoxia, I found it at a local garden center, and the name Datura made me have to buy it and grow it, it bloomed huge beautiful flowers.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #3967606 - 03/25/05 05:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Kratom, salvia, b caapi, psychtria viridis, mimosa hostilis, mimosa pudica, any cacti from seed is fun, hawaiin baby rosewood is easy to grow, or some poppies.

just goole the species before growing with germination (plant or cacti name) for help with growing that kind of plant.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Fluxburn]
    #3968302 - 03/25/05 12:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

the list goes on and on grow them all but easiest to grow are morning glories and African Lion's Tail aka wild dagga.  What Ive read is Peruvians are better then San Pedro stick with cuttings unless u don't mind growing for several years like me.  I found poppy to be hard to get past seedling stage very high germination rate.  It all depends on ur budget and time and effort u want to put into it. GL :thumbup:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #3968306 - 03/25/05 12:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Poppies dont like to be transplated, scater them early in the season ona weed free plot and watch em grow.

The whole mesc contenet between peruivians and pedro is skeptical.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3969685 - 03/25/05 07:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

This article compares the mescaline content of San Pedro(T. pachanoi) vs Peruvian Torch(T. peruvianus)

According to it, San Pedro is on average better for mesc content, as Peruvians can possibly have very minimal. I've also read though that Peruvians grow faster, and one of the highest rated mesc in a cacti found was Peruvian. However I'd sooner have a cacti that I know will have at least some mescaline. Do any of you keep your cacti growing year after year? I live in the north, so growing is best through spring and summer, but I'd like to grow it indoors in the winter, do any of you have success doing this?

Fluxburn,
You say cacti are fun to grow from seed, is that because it's difficult and challenging, or have you had success with it?


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #3969722 - 03/25/05 07:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

YEah ggrow em all year, rather put them in a cold above 40 degree place with minimal light and they will rest up and go dormant till spring time. No water needed during the dormant state. But you can also place them in a grow room if you bring them in before it cools to much outside.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3971010 - 03/26/05 01:35 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Peruvians more expensive but very cool sharp poky spines that turn on chicks......no not really, but I think they are awesome. I got 1- Peruvian, 3 short spined Peruvians, 6- Pedro's, 5 bridgesii, 1 spachianus and 100 seeds of Peruvians i want to plant soon. We also had a poll here and so far Peruvians were the best in content. But also heard the Bridgesii were also good but slower growing. can't give any of my experiences with content cause I find pleasure in growing them and plus i can't hurt my babies....lol


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #3971536 - 03/26/05 07:11 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Cool. Good advice. I hear heimia salicifolia (sunopener) is a good one too. Something I'd really like to grow. Only legal herb I'm growing is actually illegal I just realized. hahahaha. I have one healthy seedling of catha edulis. HEHE. Just as illegal as weed.

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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: GoaM]
    #4025005 - 04/07/05 07:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks guys.

Just a note, that the Datura I grew was actually this.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4025080 - 04/07/05 08:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Wow I just found a great site for any Canadians, http://www.ethnogarden.com/cart/index.pl/catid_88/proid_212
I can actually buy live peyote in Canada wow! And Peruvian Torch hybrid cuttings, said to contain double the alkaloid cotent.
http://www.ethnogarden.com/cart/index.pl/catid_88/proid_217

Fuck yeah! :eek:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4031911 - 04/08/05 07:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

JaguarWarrior?s Garden

Seeds on the way:
1)Calea zacatechichi ?Dream Herb?
2)Datura Stamonium ?Thorn apple?
3)Leonitus Leonorus "Wild Dagga"
4)Heimia Salicifolia ?Sun Opener? Sinicuichi
5)Lepidium Peruvianum ?Maca Yellow?
6)Mimosa Hostilis "Jurema"
7)Peganum Harmala "Syrian Rue"

Live plants soon to be acquired:
8)Lophophora Williamsii "Peyote"
9)Trichocereus Peruvianus "Peruvian Torch" hybrid Cuttings

Other plants I'm looking into acquiring:
10)Mitragyna Speciosa "Kratom"
11)Argyreia Nervosa "Hawaiian Baby Woodrose"
12)Banisteriopsis Caapi
13)Desmanthus Illinoensis
14)Psychotria Viridis
15)Salvia Divinorum

If anyone can post/link growing and/or cultivating tips for any of these or other psychoactive plants that'd be great, it be nice to have a good knowledge base for this stuff on the forum for those looking for it.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4047923 - 04/12/05 11:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

hawaiin baby wood rose are hard to grow unless you live in hawaii or have a greenhouse with a heater. They bloom in around january. Good luck.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: stevo]
    #4048229 - 04/13/05 01:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Damn, I already ordered some. :cussing:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4048376 - 04/13/05 01:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure you'll find some use for them :smile:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4049017 - 04/13/05 05:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Wow I envy you man.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4049049 - 04/13/05 05:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've been reading more info on growing/cultivating these plants.

Stevo,
The Hawaiian Baby Woodrose plant is suppose to grow well indoors, the seeds I got are supposed to be 95% germination rate.

adjust,
It could be you too. :cheers:


I'm still looking for growing tips for the following plants:
1)Calea zacatechichi ?Dream Herb?
2)Lepidium Peruvianum ?Maca Yellow?
3)Mimosa Hostilis "Jurema"
4)Banisteriopsis Caapi
5)Desmanthus Illinoensis
Any info or links you know of would be appreciated.

By the way, many psychedelic plant growing tips can be found here.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4049072 - 04/13/05 06:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Calea grows fast given lots of moisture (but don't have it soaking wet all the time), lots of light but not too much intense sun, and temps around 20*C. It is fairly hardy to cold temps, but don't let young plants freeze. Also, cut back on water when it's cold. It branches freely and the branches are quite easy to cut of and root in soil, giving more plants.... Calea seed has a low germination rate, but the seedlings are apparently easy to take care of. A bit of general-purpose fertiliser helps when it's growing fast, something like a 20-20-20, following the instructions on the packet.
Heimia is very easy to grow from seed. It grows slowly at first but starts to grow much faster when it's reached a few inches tall. It also branches freely, but I never tried to take a cutting from it. This plant has very long roots, and needs quite large pots to do well, even when small. Also, don't plant them too close together, because if you do they will have to compete for nutrients and root space and this will slow them down. They also like bright light, but not as much water as calea.

I don't have much experience with the other seeds...


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Openminded]
    #4049179 - 04/13/05 07:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the info Openminded, I have 100 calea seeds on the way, I ordered extra because I knew about the low germination rate.
I plan on growing them outside, and thought Canadian weather might work well for it. Although the summers here can get rather hot 30-36*C I believe,
and winters can get as cold as -30-40*c sometimes. I wonder if these plants can over winter here?
(I thought I read they were frost resistant and inhabited cold mountain areas, so maybe they can do it.)
I could keep them in my garage for the winter, or indoors if need be.
If they can survive winter I"ll plant them outside. How far apart do they need to be planted?
If they can't survive outside all year I'd like to grow them in pots so I can move them as necessary. What size pots would you recommend?


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4049291 - 04/13/05 08:15 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I tried to leave one outside over winter here, and it died. It probably didn't ever get below -5*C here, so -30*C might be pushing it! Although, having said that, the plant I left outside wasn't very strong, since I had just taken some cuttings from it. I'm sure an established plant could handle frost, but maybe not a frost that hard! They shouldn't mind heat I don't think if you keep them well watered, and maybe with some shade if the sun is very intense. But I'm not sure, because it never gets that hot here so I don't have experience at those temperatures!
Make sure they still get light when you take them inside. I did that and they started to look a bit unhealthy because it wasn't bright enough. Also if you have air conditioning the air might be a bit on the dry side in your house, they like a bit of humidity.
I'm not sure how far apart they will need to be, but once growing they can grow fast in the right conditions, so they could quickly get crowded. If I were you I'd sow them in seed trays, and then maybe transplant the seedlings straight into 10" pots. Pots of this size should be enough for at least the first year.

Edit: this should give you some idea of how fast they can grow. Here is my last surviving cutting on the 1st of this month:



And here it is today, 12 days later. Sure, it hasn't grown very much, but you have to bear in mind that it is not a strong plant, it is small and it is growing inside without very good lighting. 12 days ago this was almost dead!



When it gets some more leaves it will really take off...


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Openminded]
    #4050700 - 04/13/05 03:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder how they would fair under a grow light, for the winter months.
Would they go dormant and not require much at that time?


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4050914 - 04/13/05 04:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

100 calea seeds will probably not yield even 1 sprout but hopefully you will get lucky.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #4051042 - 04/13/05 05:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've heard a 30% germination rate of calea seeds, which might be higher than reality.
Lorax posted here that 500+ seeds gave him 60 plants. I'm only aiming for 4-5 plants, but as long as I get at least one, I'll be happy.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4053054 - 04/14/05 02:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ok ok, you even msged me to get in here and talk so here it is.

HBRW, you need to take sand paper and grind the crap out of the seed so you can see the fleshy layer at a few points. I normally do two sides with 50 grit sandpaper. I tried some nail filer before, didn't work that well.

I start all of my plant seeds this way normally, take a wet paper towel, squeeze it so it is only slightly damn. Then you put the seeds in the towel and place in the Tupperware container. You then put this someplace warm, I have a old stove that burns pilot lights, I place it on top of that which is quite warm to the touch actually. You can place on top of fridge, computer monitor, near the heater vent, etc etc. Tv get warm, playstations etc, etc. Anything that produces heat is good for incubation of seeds. Next check up on the seeds in a day or two... if they have sprouted even a tiny bit to soil they go. Do not exceed 3 days in the incubator, the seeds will get water logged or moldy.

Note: This is only for semi large seeds really. For small seeds I do not bother with this level of seed propitiation. For small seeds like catnip, papvers (poppies), etc seeds that are only a millimeter squared or so I don't see the point.

The technique above works very very well. Even if nothing has sprouted, go directly to soil in 3 or 4 days max and they will grow faster. The initial heat phase wakes up the seed, then the cold shock from the seed going to soil will cause it too sprout. This is what happens in nature which triggers the plant to grow.

Cacti: You need to place the cacti seeds on top of a cactus soil, or you can make your own. I just buy standard cacti soil mix, has some sand in it and perilite, etc. You place the soil in container or pot, then you place the seeds on top of the soil. You will have almost 100% germination if you follow the proceedure correctly note (assuming you have seeds that are not 10 years old). You need initially a very humid environment that is warm for the cacti. You can either place the pot or whatever in a plastic zip lock bag, you can put secure saran wrap over the top or you can buy a propogation chamber. A propogation chamber is the best choice if you are doing this a lot. These trays only cost a meger $5-$10 from your local gardening or hydroponics store. Also you can get a heating pad at your hydroponics store for $20 that will heat the entire propogation tray, useful for seedlings and cacti. The cacti will pin after awhile. Little green dots will appear, after a little time has elapsed from this stage you remove the cacti seedling from the humid environment. Note this stage is extremely important, you have accomplished pinning the cacti and now they don't need that humid environment any more. Actually now you need to remove the seedling to someplace with light but no water, I like a window sill. Do not water the seedlings, first of all this will kill your cacti since they have not rooted yet and they will fall over and die, next cacti hate water at this stage and have plenty of it in the soil still. If you leave the cacti in the humidity chamber too long, it with die or get all red, it has too much water. You barely ever have to water a cacti, the soil is normally very dry in the desert. Then the cacti get bigger, very slowly.

Saliva D plants: These like fast draining soil, you need to mix either coca coir or perilite in the soil at a rate of 20-40% these products. Only water your saliva plant when the soil is fully dried, this also goes for all plants generally. If you have the soil always damp it leads to root rot, your plants die. In the case of saliva, they don't die with lots of water, they just don't grow. Saliva's love humidity... but they do fine without it. You can just mist it occasionally or if you really care, but a humidity tent with some painters plastic from home depo and pvc or buy a green house. Saliva does great once established for cuttlings. Wherever you cut, you want todo so right where a brach has broken out, so the longest point of the stem will be with your cuttling. They love rooting hormone as well, and root rather quickly.

Kratom: This plant is similar to salvia in the soil, it is a hearty little plant and grows too a tree. Cutlings don't seem to like rooting hormones and take a good while to root as well.

Morning Glories: These just grow in normal soil no problems.

Poppies: These like the outdoors, good luck indoors. They need lots of light and not too much humidity.

Vocana Africa: Use the seed propation technique above, works wonders.

Mimosa Hostilis: easy to grow from seed, just place in soil and boom.

Psychotria Viridis: PINA to come from seed but if you must; boil water, let it cool some, place seeds overnight, sow seeds the next day. Good luck, you will need it.

Bugs: If you are indoors, bugs are a big probelm. If outdoors nature will help you with other bugs but it still can be a probelm. Aphids can level your crop in a matter of two weeks, tiny black ones. The best means for pertection is the naturely occuring neem oil. This comes form the neem plant, mix with water in a spray bottle and be sure to shake the bottle each time before misting. The oil smells pretty narly and it also leaves a white residue on the plants and soil but it is not harmful and can be wiped off or washed off with no worries.

You can also use sticky traps or some lady bugs to combat pests. You don't really want to use commercial pestidies, but you can if you would like. I mean your food contains lots of pestidies, even some countries we import fruit from still use DDT since it is the cheapest means of pestitides, even though it does cause cancer.

Fertilizer: Be careful, most soil has it already premixed. When your plant has grown to a signifant size, you can start using it. Don't try to rush your seedlings with fertilizer, they will die. Follow the instructions for the fertilizer mixing with proper amounts of soil, too much is bad for you plants.

I think that covers a lot. One note might I add is that plants that are difficult to grow from seed, salvia d, kratom, psychotria virids, etc. some are possible others are just a waste of time. You can order the plant if you want one as well. You can get viridis plants for $15 in some places. When 10 seeds are 10 dollars, why even bother with it?

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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4053483 - 04/14/05 06:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Fluxburn, great post! :thumbup:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4054536 - 04/14/05 01:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Concerning your PM, I am not the most qualified person to give you tips on the plants i've suggested, but i can provide you with some links and tell you some of my personal experience in growing them.

Psychotria Viridis:
Stonehenge's post on growing Viridis: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post3337897
Ringworm's tek for propagation through leaf cuttings:
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2656&start=0

As for psychotria, all i can tell you is that i was sent a bunch of fresh leaves by a shroomerite last october and i now have 3 saplings on their own pots which are apparently doing well. There are still a couple more ready to be cut from the leaves and transplanted.
The separated plants are still small so they are living in a mini-greenhouse w/ fluoro's. Don't know how well they'll do when i remove them from the greenhouse.

Cacti:
The Nook's cacti archives. All the info you need for successfully grow cacti. Be sure to surf through all the links for growing, preparation and extraction info: http://archives.thenook.org/2366.html

I took all my info from there and my cacti look happy and grow fast. One is having a sunburn problem but i think it will be fine.

Mimosa, Desmanthus:

There isn't much info on growing these.
Mimosa is from tropical regions so it won't stand cold temps very well.

In order to germinate the seeds (both species) they need to be soaked in boiling hot water to break dormancy.

With both of these i had success germinating the seeds but didn't manage to get them to live longer than a month or so afterwards.
Perhaps they would have survived had i inoculated the soil with N fixing bacteria as they're leguminosae...

As for salvia and kratom i can't give you any info as i haven't attempted to grow them yet. I will soon enough though.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: esin]
    #4054645 - 04/14/05 02:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Mimosa hostilis are the ones that need to be put in hot water and set overnight, not p viridis.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #4055772 - 04/14/05 07:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks esin! :thumbup:

This thread has turned into one great collection of information for psychedelic plant growing. :headbanger:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #4057804 - 04/15/05 07:52 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't say psychotria needs to be set in hot water, Stoney. I didn't even mention Psychotria germination at all...


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: esin]
    #4059068 - 04/15/05 03:48 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Esin I think he was referring to Fluxburn's post.
Psychoria Viridis does seem to be quite difficult to germinate from seed: http://www.erowid.org/plants/psychotria/psychotria_cultivation1.shtml


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4059486 - 04/15/05 05:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone have experiences with Kanna?

Or Blue Lotus?

The experiences on Erowid seem positive for these plants, I wonder about their cultivation.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
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    #4060003 - 04/15/05 07:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Sceletium (kanna) is easy to grow, but seems variable in its effects. Some people say it does nothing, others get fairly strong effects. I find it gets me feeling back to normal when I'm feeling down, but don't really get high off it. Preparation seems fairly important, and it seems that there is a bit of skill involved in bringing out the plant's potential. It's a nice plant though, and well worth the $5 or so that it will cost you for seeds. It also grows fairly fast, so you'll have a nice plant within a year. It likes lots of light but not too much heat (seems to be a spring grower in the northern hemisphere), and although it does not like being wet, it's best if the soil isn't totally dry for more than a few days while it's growing. It likes constant moisture, but not constant wetness. A light soil is good too, don't plant it in anything too dense or clay-like. Plants with similar effects are pleiospilos bolusii, a lithop-like mesemb called "skeng-skeng" by the people who used it (I think), whose active component is also mesembrine, apparently. I'm groing this as well as p. nelii, which I think is also mildly active, although I have no experience with the effects of these yet. They're neat little plants though, and worth growing if you can. Also, you could try delosperma bosseranum. This is a small mesemb that is very easy to grow from seed, it has a large taproot which can apparently be used in a similar way to sceletium. I have several plants growing, but have not tried a bioassay yet. Interestingly, most people who have tried it seem to prefer it to sceletium. My plants are small and are already making flower buds, so it should be easy to grow it, get some seed, harvest the roots and then plant more for next year. The roots on my plants (roughly four months old) are just starting to swell up, so I should be able to try it quite soon... Again, it is important that you use a soil that does not compact too much. The roots need light soil to form properly.
I have no experience at all with the lotus, but from what I've read, it seems very pleasant....


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Openminded]
    #4060020 - 04/15/05 07:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I also have two khat plants, but mine are not doing very well. My parents looked after them for two months, and they didn't do very well, but even before that the plants weren't very healthy. They HATE too much water in my experience, and like bright light but not too much direct sun (at least when young), but that is about as much help I can give you on this species...


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Openminded]
    #4060026 - 04/15/05 07:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the info Openminded. :thumbup:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4060038 - 04/15/05 07:34 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

That's OK! I just hope it makes sense, because I'm quite drunk at the moment....


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: Openminded]
    #4060050 - 04/15/05 07:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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That's OK! I just hope it makes sense, because I'm quite drunk at the moment....



:lol:
Ok, well next time your sober, double check it, and see if you made any mistakes.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4066232 - 04/17/05 08:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Another plant to add to the list Acacia Maidenii, reported to contain 0.6% alkaloids in the bark, of which 1/3 was N-methyl tryptamine, and 2/3 was Dimethyl Tryptamine (DMT). (Alkaloids of The Australian Leguminosae - The Occurrence of Methylated Tryptamines in Acacia maidenii F. Muell. J.S. Fitzgerald and A.A. Sioumis Australian Journal of Chemistry, 1965, 18 433-4)

Phalaris Arundinacea (reed canary grass), which I mentioned earlier is actually a locally growing plant where I live, I seen lots of it growing along the river when walking my dog yesterday.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4070168 - 04/18/05 09:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Does anyone know where to get a hold of some viable Nymphaea Nouchali var. caerulea (Blue Lotus) seeds and/or live plants?


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4070594 - 04/18/05 11:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

you looking for plants that you can grow relativly easy for the purpous of using or having someone use?  or do you want to grow teh somwaht more finicky and slower type f plants?  or both?

some plants, if you only looking for the experience, might be better if you jsut buy the herb.  mayeb im taking htis post wrong though.


anyway.  as for mimosa and desmanthus.  i also had all mine die teh first go around.  second go around i tried peas.  i was tryign this with d. illino, d, lepto, and MH.  they are all alive right now, the ones that were pea'd up.  the desmanthus was just put outside today actually.  and damnit i knew it would happen.  got too hot and scorched lotsa leaves :frown:  shaded now :blush:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4071455 - 04/19/05 04:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I'm doing this for many reasons,
1)I like growing plants in the garden, I find it enjoyable to be out under the sun and working with plants that I help to live and maintain.
2)These plants have amazing history, I feel a part of that history and connected to something great. Growing them is exciting to me.
3)Some of these plants have potential to give great experiences, and even learning through more powerful dreaming etc.
4)It's possible the government may try to control some of these plants, the more people who have them and grow them now the more difficult it will be for them to emplace and enforce such laws.

At this point I would rather grow plants that are easier to grow, however I am willing to put more effort into plants that may have some special purpose for me such as Blue Lotus.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: esin]
    #4072159 - 04/19/05 12:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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With both of these i had success germinating the seeds but didn't manage to get them to live longer than a month or so afterwards.
Perhaps they would have survived had i inoculated the soil with N fixing bacteria as they're leguminosae...

As for salvia and kratom i can't give you any info as i haven't attempted to grow them yet. I will soon enough though.




I've heard planting beans help increase the chance of them becoming innoculating with the bacteria, and since I love fresh beans, it never hurts. Also, when I water them I like to use the water which I soak seeds in. I have a nice bed with them planted inches apart so I'm sure if one has the bacteria, they all will.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4072215 - 04/19/05 12:54 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Blue lotus is Nymphaea caerulea not Nymphaea nouchali var. caerulea. And growing from seed might not work because most lilies (unsure if Nymphaea caerulea does or if it even matters) will hybridize. Growing from a cutting of a tuber that is known to come from a blue lotus is the only way to know the plant is truly a blue lotus. If you are looking for a blue lotus plant, I suggest looking in the yellow pages and calling water garden stores and asking if they carry it or know where to find it.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: gryphix]
    #4073424 - 04/19/05 06:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

This site mentions growing Blue Lotus from seed.

I have seen Blue Lotus referred to as both Nymphaea Caerulea AND Nymphaea Nouchali Var. Caerulea, for simplicity, I'll just use Blue Lotus from now on, I just wanted to use the full name in case people were doing a search for it.


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    #4074910 - 04/20/05 12:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

ahh thats cool man.  i am into the hobby for very similar reasons :smile:

well, hbwr/rivea i find to be very nice house plants.  my rivea has taken well to growing up right unassisted (future bonsai).  theres a thread on getting them to bloom.  without any discussion about it in this thread all ill say is dotn grow them with the expectations of getting seeds.

no garden is complete without peyote.  they are just so damn unique and in a whole other class on their own when it comes to the cool factor.

mescal bean is a personal favourite.  although i cant get the f***ing things to grow :frown:  even recieved a few seedligns from a memeber here and they died :mad:  im jinxed on that one, but im sure anyone can easily grow them.

daturas, not much to say that hasnt been said millions of times throughout.

loving my klip dagga.  its growing real bushy and just now set flower at 5" tall(the day before it goes outside to grow big :smirk:).

psychotria is pretty cool all around.  mine are still small, but they are going to serve as houseplants once larger.

i do desmanthus and mimosa cause they are easy and have real cool foliage.  i LOVE that leaf type.

i strongly suggest yopo!  it has nothing to do with my inability to sprout it and my want for more grow logs :grin:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4075170 - 04/20/05 01:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup: Kadakuda, good luck this year with your plants.

Well, I went to walmart and they don't have any Morning Glory seeds this year!!! :eek:
I plan to check a few other stores tomorrow and hopefully I'll find some.
If not, I have an old seed pack of Heavenly Blue MG from 2 years ago, what do you think are the odds of any of these germinating? :shake:


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    #4075277 - 04/20/05 01:46 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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    #4075531 - 04/20/05 03:15 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

just letting you know jaguarwarrior101 "angels trumpet" isnt strmonium or inoxia is brugmansia


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    #4075805 - 04/20/05 05:49 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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just letting you know jaguarwarrior101 "angels trumpet" isnt strmonium or inoxia is brugmansia



Yeah I know that now, it does however really resemble them.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4079296 - 04/21/05 12:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like I'll soon be growing a Peyote cutting, Peyote seeds, and some Peruvian Torch seeds. Can anyone here who has grown sacred cacti from either cuttings or seeds tell us about your experience, what worked for you and what you recommend? I've already read a few growing tips on the net, but I like to hear a few experiences from different individuals who may not have had that much experience before.
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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4082732 - 04/21/05 09:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I received my order from Shaman's Palace today, they are awesome! I even got 3 gifts with an order of only $40USD!
(1g kratom extract, 2 packets of two different Papaver Somniferum(opium poppies). :eek:
I recommend them to anyone! :thumbup:

So preparations have begun for JaguarWarrior's Psychedelic Garden... :cheers:


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4084959 - 04/22/05 02:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yippee more arrivals from I Am Shaman! Another good company. :thumbup: But I only got 1 gift this time. :smirk:
Once my cacti has arrived from Enthogarden my garden will be complete for the most part.
There's only two plants I couldn't find seeds for that I still really want:
1)Blue Lotus
2)Kratom

Here's a thread on growing Desmanthus Illinoensis, since we don't have much info on it in this thread.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4085030 - 04/22/05 03:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone know much about Desmanthus Leptolobus? From what I've gathered it's much like Illinoensis, only smaller and grows flat along the ground.
It's also called Prairie mimosa, Prairie bundleflower, and Slenderlobed bundleflower. I'm interested to know if it has the same DMT content as Illinoensis.


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    #4085556 - 04/22/05 05:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I am no authority in the matter, but in my personal observations on what I?ve read etc, it would seem to me that some of these plants can be categorized as follows, these plants contain the same active alkaloids and have similar germinating/growing requirements. I?m trying to make this as accurate as possible, so please feel free to tell me what you think I should add in or change.

Vines that contain LSA in their seeds. - Morning Glory family (Convolvulaceae)
Seeds: Outer shell Can be nicked, then should be soaked for 24 hours before planting in soil, do not use bottom heat.
1)Ipomoea "Morning Glory"
2)Hawaiian Baby Woodrose
3)Rivea corymbosa (slightly less hardy than Morning Glory)

Plants that contain DMT in their root bark.
Seeds: There seems to be some confusion over this, but some say you should bring a container of water to a boil on the stove or in the microwave, and dump the seeds into the container, then let the seeds soak over night.
1)Mimosa Hostilis (succulent, perennial herb, becoming woody with age)
2)Desmanthus Illinoensis (perennial weed legume)

Cacti that contain mescaline.
Seeds: Place the cactus soil in container or pot, then place the seeds on top of the soil. Seeds need an initially warm and very humid environment. Preferably in a propagation chamber with bottom heat.
1)Lophophora Williamsii (peyote)
2)Trichocereus Peruvianus & Pachanoi (Peruvian Torch & San Pedro)


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4087008 - 04/23/05 01:25 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Leptolobus grows way slower and smaller for me. less than half the size. they are supposed to be somewhat highish in dmt i think. moreso than illinoensis.


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    #4087729 - 04/23/05 07:34 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Where did you hear that?


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4088272 - 04/23/05 01:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

probably here on the forums.  ive read that they are the highest concentration of any plant in USA/CAN. 

really cant think where i heard it, so ignore it till someone backs me up :grin:


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    #4088589 - 04/23/05 03:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Is there any way to test the DMT levels, if one were so inclined?


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #4094199 - 04/25/05 05:40 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

A good thread for growing Syrian Rue from seed.


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    #4097738 - 04/26/05 01:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

the only way i know of is extracting it and measuring.


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: kadakuda]
    #4147625 - 05/07/05 06:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I'm looking for any information regarding the optimal conditions for mimosa hostilis, I have grown them to healthy seedlings, I even planted some peas with them to give them nitrogen fixing bacteria as recommended. Now I want to know how to best care for my little hostilis'. How much sun, how frequently should they be watered, when would be good to fertilize etc.


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    #4464656 - 07/28/05 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'd like to know what type of fertilizer to use on the following plants:
1)Calea zacatechichi ?Dream Herb?
2)Heimia Salicifolia ?Sun Opener? Sinicuichi
3)Mimosa Hostilis "Jurema"
4)Desmanthus Illinoensis
5)Peganum Harmala "Syrian Rue"


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: JaguarWarrior101]
    #9151081 - 10/28/08 11:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What would be the purpose of growing HBWR or Morning Glory plants? I am very familiar with the seeds alkaloids and extraction of said alkaloids, but what would be the purpose of growing the plant itself? Do people extract the alkaloid from the plant matter? If I remember correctly the alkaloid content of the plant is to low to be of any use to the common user. Am I way off base here? The only thing I could see growing the plant to be of any use is to propagate more seeds..

And if that is the case, how many seeds could one expect to yield from a Morning Glory plant?


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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #9151227 - 10/28/08 11:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would not bother with Datura or Wormwood.

HBWR will not bloom, except in the tropics

Kratom
will not become potent, unless grown in ground, in the tropics and allowed to mature.

Peyote is too expensive to actually eat, but fun to grow, and it sounds like it's legal there =)

Mimosa is another that you cannot properly grow in Canada, it will be a neat specimen, but not harvestable, instead try Desmantus, it's native to a colder climate!

Salvia can be grown in a bright window or under a grow light.
You may find cuttings for trade at BotanicalSwap.org

Also some Peruvianus cuttings are misidentified, so be careful, Bridgesii might be a better bet!

Make sure to study about MAOIS before consuming them.  Also many people prefer Caapi to Harmala, and some science may back it up, that Caapi is safer.

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Re: Recommended legal psychoactive plants to grow. [Re: fireshaman]
    #9151783 - 10/29/08 01:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

3 year old thread...i have not seen jaguar for at least a year.

but an interesting thread nonetheless.


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