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Duality and The Way
    #3962948 - 03/24/05 02:14 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Humans model themselves on earth,
Earth on heaven,
Heaven on the Way,
And the way on that which is naturally so.
-- Laozi (Lao Tzu)

ok, we model ourselves on the earth which itself is modeled on heaven, or duality. Me and other, good and bad, heaven and hell.
so, The way would be conceptual understanding of that which is naturally so, or understanding how everything exsists with everything else, without good you cannot have evil. so INTELLECTUALLY you may begin to understand ultimate truth???

and that which is naturally so cannot be experienced in our earthbound counciousness.


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: sleepysmoker]
    #3963822 - 03/24/05 08:31 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

"If one do not understand ultimate truth, one refuse to be a part of it."
-Unknown :P

I was writing something else, but lost it.


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: sleepysmoker]
    #3965361 - 03/24/05 04:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

sleepysmoker said:
and that which is naturally so cannot be experienced in our earthbound counciousness.




im experiencing nature right now.

i dont understand wat your getting at.


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: BleaK]
    #3965498 - 03/24/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

i dont either.

enlightenment...pure awareness....divine counciousness




when i say intellectually i mean understanding with thought, our mind.


Edited by sleepysmoker (03/24/05 05:29 PM)


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: sleepysmoker]
    #3965521 - 03/24/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

thoughts are like leaves on a plant.
flat
limited
the forest extends wider than all the leaves
and the land extends farther....

what am I saying?
think well but don't expect understanding from thoughts, more from connection and hanging in there (endurance).


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3965545 - 03/24/05 05:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

yeah. the thought wrought mind would only begin to understand the connection between everything, and that everything is one, but it cannot experience it.

maybe


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3965560 - 03/24/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

leaves are not flat.


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: BleaK]
    #3966112 - 03/24/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

your'e so...bleak


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: sleepysmoker]
    #3966209 - 03/24/05 09:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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sleepysmoker said:
your'e so...bleak




okay? the earth is round.
wats it got to do with anything?


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: BleaK]
    #3966565 - 03/24/05 10:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Lao Tzu is saying that there exists certain fundamental laws, or principles of nature, or the universe. These are above man, planets, gods if there happen to be any. These laws are present throughout the universe in several manifestations and govern how it is that things are and act. To get a clearer picture, it is not to be thought of as an entity or a self-awareness, but simply the way things must be due to these fundamental 'laws', which may be an accident or not, it is not relevant in this context.


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: Lux]
    #3966614 - 03/24/05 10:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

your statement makes sense, tho, i wouldnt use the term "above" to describe where these laws are.

unfortunatly i dont see how your statements and the original posters are connected.


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Re: Duality and The Way [Re: BleaK]
    #3966674 - 03/24/05 11:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It appeared that he was asking for an explanation of one of Lao Tzu's famous sayings, which I attempted to give as best as I could.

What I intended to get across when using the word 'above', is that they are laws which govern those 'below'. Simply look at your own quote, I believe the essence of what I was trying to say gets across pretty clearly, the words aren't very important. Anyhow, it's a conceptual location, not a physical one, but instead something which is present throughout the universe.


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