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kwikness
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Busted *DELETED*
#3961484 - 03/23/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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hardyharhar
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Re: Busted [Re: kwikness]
#3963988 - 03/24/05 08:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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best not to have an actual picture of you in your avatar for starters..
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endokrin
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i think the general consensus here is that feds wouldn't waste resources on a small scale grow.
your best bet is to read the FAQ everyone should read twice and to keep your mouth shut...
of course, i neither condone nor participate in any illegal activities such as those mentioned here so who am i to say?
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DNKYD
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Re: Busted [Re: kwikness]
#3964487 - 03/24/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spores are legal, because when you order them you agree you are using them for microscopy purposes. And that is what you're using them for, right? Just keep your mouth shut and keep the grow stealth and you will be OK. Loose lips sink ships.
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Le_Canard
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Re: Busted [Re: DNKYD]
#3965240 - 03/24/05 02:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: Loose lips sink ships.
This cannot be emphasised enough when growing, and should be everyone's #1 rule. Silence is indeed golden....
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XTCollection
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Yahh, posting on the boards has been harmless in my experience, for over 7 years. Its the friends who tell friends and people who know who you are and what your doing.
Spores are legal, purchasing them alone is not enough for a search warrant.
Informants word of mouth however, is...
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tredwax
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I agree, it's been harmless for me too. Several years on the boards, OverGrow mainly, newbie here, BUT... everything I've read and learned here seems to be working quite fine. Spores vs informer was a good point. Wish there was a way to give Karma points.
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absolutely
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dr_gonz
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Crasher
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Re: Busted [Re: dr_gonz]
#4010691 - 04/03/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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That actually has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this board.ever.
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Locus



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Re: Busted [Re: Crasher]
#4011102 - 04/04/05 12:07 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vvellum
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Quote:
Spores are legal, purchasing them alone is not enough for a search warrant.
why are you so sure of this?
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XTCollection
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Re: Busted [Re: Vvellum]
#4018340 - 04/05/05 05:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I would think if one bought marijuana seeds, or purchased seeds on their credit card, which thousands do in any give month, you would see bust for that sort of thing.
That information is readily available to LE, your credit purchases and what not. So, I doubt a percentage of the population is going to get busted on these credit card purchases.
Attract attention, then sure, it it will be evidence against you. Purchasing spores, a hepa filter, agar, plates, jars, substrate, etc all in one nice readable line, yah, that would constitue reasonable suspicion.
Spores? Whose to say they arent a gift, or a serious collector, etc? They are not illegal, so getting a search warrant based soley on that purchase, would be uncostitutional and void of being used against you.
Just happened the other day, 2 seperate supreme court cases on searching trash,
considered unconstitutional and the evidence was useless, hence the search warrant was illegal, and anything they found.
So, spores being enough to gain a search warrant? What about spore suppliers? Do you really think every spore vendor has the money to have a grow shop in jamaica? Think again.
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Twister
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Well, Sporeworks says on their website that if you order with a money order as soon as they get it with the order sheet they take your address, print out a label for shipping, then destroy the order sheet. I'm sure other vendors have policies like this too, so as soon as they send out your order, and if you didn't use your name on the MO, they dont even know if you ordered from them.
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TODAY
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Quote:
ToiletDuk said:
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DNKYD said: Loose lips sink ships.
This cannot be emphasised enough when growing, and should be everyone's #1 rule. Silence is indeed golden....
very true...my friends...even my BEST FRIENDS...keep on asking me questions about how i am obtaining shrooms. I say its a friend who cuts me a great deal so i don't care about giving them to my friends for free.
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CptnGarden
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Re: Busted [Re: TODAY]
#4030457 - 04/08/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"That actually has to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this board.ever. "
Firewolf127 ... If you want to flame people, or their questions/posts, we have a forum called "off-topic discussion", otherwise, keep it to yourself ...
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dr0mni
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I read a news report, (i really read it, I don't know where though) that law enforcement intercepted a package from a spore vendor to a customer, grew the spores, fruited them, and tested the shrooms for psilocybin. Of course it turned up positive, so the vendor was arrested for conspiracy to cultivate because the spores were VIABLE...
like I said, I'm not sure where I heard it, but I didn't just hear it from a friend...
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THEDANGLER
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Re: Busted [Re: dr0mni]
#4033764 - 04/09/05 09:18 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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that is so stupid and that dude should have got a lawyer...wtf i have tons of cubie spore, doesn't mean im growing them...
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Re: Busted [Re: dr0mni]
#4184601 - 05/16/05 11:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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dr0mni said: I read a news report, (i really read it, I don't know where though) that law enforcement intercepted a package from a spore vendor to a customer, grew the spores, fruited them, and tested the shrooms for psilocybin. Of course it turned up positive, so the vendor was arrested for conspiracy to cultivate because the spores were VIABLE...
like I said, I'm not sure where I heard it, but I didn't just hear it from a friend...
Im pretty sure you are referring to the PF bust that went down quite some time ago... The undercover agents did not intercept any spores they actually just bought them straight up. The reason PF got into trouble is because they were selling the spores along with detailed instructions on HOW TO CULTIVATE them, they were not selling them for microscopic use as you will notice most of the major spore suppliers today claim.
Here is the link...PSYLOCYBE FANATICUS OWNER AND EMPLOYEES INDICTED
But then again you may be talking about another bust altogether...
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Edited by kimikiri (05/16/05 11:08 PM)
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tak
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THEDANGLER said: that is so stupid and that dude should have got a lawyer...wtf i have tons of cubie spore, doesn't mean im growing them...
You think that really means anything in the United States?
Seriously people, you need to all wake the fuck up. You think because something is legal that you are Okay? Play with fire and YOU WILL GET BURNED.
Just look at the Research Chemical companies. They were doing business by the book. All disclaimers were there, all laws were being obeyed, they were packing MSDS's with chems, etc etc. They also had big bucks for lawyers, but they were playing with fire. They got burned.
Just because something is "legal" now, or in the grey shady area does not mean that it is OK. I would be paranoid as possible, expect them to have all records, expect an emergeny scheduling, and expect your door to get kicked down. Anything less is a good day.
I dont agree with this war, but i just want you all to be safe. Dont be the prankster kid dressed in iraqi clothing, sitting in front of the whitehouse with a suitcase full of tomatoes. You think its a joke, and you have the legal system on your side till you end up shot, because they kicked your door down right as you were reaching for the remote control under your seat cushon to turn cheech and chong on, and they thought it was a gun.
Bang Bang!
Be safe.
Loose lips sink ships.
If you cannot trust yourself with a secret that determines the rest of your life, you can trust NO ONE.
Telling just one person you trust, is as good as telling the whole world. If you cannot keep a secret, dont expect them to. Its always "i can trust him."
Then you're in jail wondering wtf happend. I wasnt a violent person, I didnt hurt anyone, didnt endanger anyone, why me?
Cause you felt the need to brag. Thats why.
stay safe.
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i know a guy who got raided a few months ago. the cops came to arrest him at his apartment for allegedly selling to an informant a few months earlier (felony charges are still pending on that, but he'll probably spend the summer in jail because of that alone). when they got to his place they conducted a search (without warrant or consent) and found what looked "suspicious to them". they seized it. this guy i know refused to identify what anything was, and it's possible that when the crime lab ID's it, they might not get anything from it.
there is something important about searches that you should all know. it relates to what is called a terry pat. they police are allowed to conduct very limited searches without warrant or consent to secure their safety. they can pat you down for weapons. if they feel a weapon, they can attempt to seize it without your consent. if they feel something that is suspicious to them, but not a weapon, they may ask you to show it to them. if it's some kind of contraband, DON'T. you don't have to show it to them. if they reach in and seize it themselves, it may be thrown out later in court... they were supposed to be looking for weapons only. if you willingly show it to them, it cannot be thrown out later. so no matter how authoritatively they command you to show it to them, don't.
if you're wondering what the relevence to a cultivation bust is here, it's this.... the supreme court has ruled that there is another type of search analogous to a terry pat that the cops can do. incident to an arrest in a person's home, if they have probable cause to believe that another person may be present in the home, and that this person may pose a threat to those making the arrest, during the course of that arrest, they may search the areas immediately adjacent to where the arrest takes place or through which they must travel to make the arrest. they can also search the "grab area" of the person being arrested for weapons.
in my friend's case, they showed up to arrest him at his apartment. without any reason whatsoever, they searched his apartment without a search warrant, on the pretext that they were looking for other people or weapons. in a closet, they found some items that were "suspicious" to them, and demanded that he open a locked trunk in that closet. he refused. they then obtained a search warrant based on what they saw in the closet.
fortunately he may be off the hook on any cultivation charges, but he'll probably spend a few months in jail, and emerge a convicted felon, just for one single sale of a single dose of mushies. god bless america.
this brings us back to the 4 golden rules of growing:
1. don't tell. 2. don't sell. 3. keeped it locked up and out of sight. 4. never consent to any sort of search.
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Kalix
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Re: Busted [Re: OOOO]
#4194866 - 05/19/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fuck, too bad it's gonna take me 5-7 years to save up enough and finish my education so I can move to Holland..
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Re: Busted [Re: Kalix]
#4224455 - 05/26/05 09:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ouch that is why you never sell, damn.
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Shred
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Selling is just too damn risky...
Don't sell.
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Noviseer
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Re: Busted [Re: Vvellum]
#4241357 - 05/31/05 06:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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bi0 said:
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Spores are legal, purchasing them alone is not enough for a search warrant.
why are you so sure of this?
because its the law.
Of course, the cops could try to get a warrant through some other means, and come in and bust you for mushroom cultivation... but proof that someone has ordered something legal won't get them a warrant.
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gema
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Re: Busted [Re: TODAY]
#4241906 - 05/31/05 09:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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TODAY said:
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ToiletDuk said:
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DNKYD said: Loose lips sink ships.
This cannot be emphasised enough when growing, and should be everyone's #1 rule. Silence is indeed golden....
very true...my friends...even my BEST FRIENDS...keep on asking me questions about how i am obtaining shrooms. I say its a friend who cuts me a great deal so i don't care about giving them to my friends for free.
bingo.
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Starter
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kwikness said: Does anyone know of any cases of someone getting busted for small-scale mushroom cultivation?
kwikness, well here's a thread posted by a small time mushroom grower and dealer who was busted and turned informant working for the DEA so he could evade jail time and fines.
http://mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/1440.html
Remember, your greatest danger is snitches and that means tell no one what you do.
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psilocyben
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Re: Busted [Re: Starter]
#4252237 - 06/03/05 01:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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that is disgusting
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Shred
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Oh man.
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ShroomOmatic
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hardyharhar said: best not to have an actual picture of you in your avatar for starters..
yea and most spore companys destroy records of purchase...
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impossdream74
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I was wondering if anyone has info about using a credit card and sending it to a different address than the billing info?especially if it relates to hawkeye. any info will be appreciated
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spiffo
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if your name and address doesnt match the card holders its cc fraud but you can write a different delivery address but somewhere on the form you have to fill out the cc owners details
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Edited by spiffo (06/11/05 12:56 AM)
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