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Doing da h/poo
    #3960973 - 03/23/05 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)










1. Fill large pot 1/2 or 3/4 full h/poo.

2. Add enough spring -or- distilled -or- boiled (allowed to cool) water (so clorine is disapated) to cover content.

3. Allow to soak for an hour (to hydrate & looosen h/poo), stir to break up clumps, dig in with washed hands(or wear gloves)& crumble all clumps until consistancy of everything in pot is moist fibers (no clumps, lumps or nuggets).

4. Add 10 to 20% chunky verm (if you want, or prefer to)

5. Heat pot until content is warm, but not so hot you cannot handle it, by hand.

6. Drain off as much water as possible.

7. With large ladle (or by hand) remove some content & place in collender (in sink), then mash to remove excess moisture, so mixture is not soupy.

8. Do SQEEEZE TEST (by hand). You want to be able to pick up handfull, THAT DOESNT DRIP, but does drip a few drops - when you give it a GENTLE SQUEEZE.

9. Load (squeeze tested) h/poo into any type baking, or autoclave bag.

10. Use rubber band to hold bag neck closed.

11. Place a plate in large water pot bottom (so bag doesnt contact hot pot bottom directly).

12. Submerse bag in large pot of water, turn heat to low.

13. Use candy thermometer (held in place near bag neck - with rubber band) to monitor water temp.

14. Get water temp up to 160 / 170 F range (DO NOT GO OVER 180F).

15. Simmer submersed bag at 160 / 170 F range two (2) hours.

16. Remove bag, TIGHTEN RUBBER BAND, so bag is AIR TIGHT & allow to cool to room temp.

17. Once bag is cooled to room temp. If it appears content is a little to moist. Loosen rubber band on bag neck, hold bag over sink (upside down) & squeeze out any excess moisture.

18. If bag content appears to DRY, add TINY bit of pre/boiled water (allowed to cool to room temp) a VERY SMALL increment at a time, to adjust moisture content.

19. In aseptic conditions, dump (however much) into SANITIZED TRAY & add spawn ASAP (20% + spawn rate).

(NOTE - most bulk h/poo substrate failures (other than mold type contams)are caused by substrate BEING TO WET, at spawning)





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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3960997 - 03/23/05 07:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Woo Yay! thats so easy I might even try the horse poo tek



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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3961001 - 03/23/05 07:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you have to soak it and crumble it and stuff?


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: ShroomGuy86]
    #3961015 - 03/23/05 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it'll pretty much fall apart when you soak it, a little stirring helps


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: ShroomGuy86]
    #3961018 - 03/23/05 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you have to soak it and crumble it and stuff?




*cough*
3. Allow to soak for an hour (to hydrate & looosen h/poo), stir to break up clumps, dig in with washed hands(or wear gloves)& crumble all clumps until consistancy of everything in pot is moist fibers (no clumps, lumps or nuggets).
*cough*


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3961091 - 03/23/05 07:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

*cough* I know, I was asking if it is absolutely necessary.


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: ShroomGuy86]
    #3961160 - 03/23/05 08:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you want good substrate consistancy  :yesnod:


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3961163 - 03/23/05 08:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Can this exact proceedure be used with cow poo as well? Or should any different steps be taken?

Thanks for the very good post!!! Clear and usefull.

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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3961266 - 03/23/05 08:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

MuHhahahaha..... I found a nice supply of grade A horsey poo today! YAY!

Now all I gots to do is follow that very nice write-up.

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4. Add 10 to 20% chunky verm (if you want, or prefer to)






Do you mix verm in with your poo?


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: Junkaboy]
    #3961279 - 03/23/05 08:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Can this exact proceedure be used with cow poo as well? Or should any different steps be taken?

Thanks for the very good post!!! Clear and usefull.

Junka




yes but you;ll want some chopped straw in with it


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3962911 - 03/24/05 02:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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MrMaddHatter said:
MuHhahahaha..... I found a nice supply of grade A horsey poo today! YAY!

Now all I gots to do is follow that very nice write-up.

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4. Add 10 to 20% chunky verm (if you want, or prefer to)






Do you mix verm in with your poo?




Sometimes. But, just 10 or 15% of the chunky size verm.

I have also added ground up boiled corn cob, and/or well chopped straw.

But if consistancy of h/poo feels good & moisture content is right. Nothing extra is needed.

H/poo performs well, with -or- without extra's. So, why bother. I did - just tinkering around.


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3962937 - 03/24/05 02:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:

Its funny, the poo I gots looks like finely chopped straw that been composted some weird way. I guess thats how the horses stomach does it. Strange.


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3963184 - 03/24/05 03:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nice recap agar =]


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: pleco]
    #3965563 - 03/24/05 05:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

14. Get water temp up to 160 / 170 F range (DO NOT GO OVER 180F).

15. Simmer submersed bag at 160 / 170 F range two (2) hours.

At this point...you only measure the water at 160...drop in the poo and time 2 hours from then? It seems to take near that long for the center of the substrate to heat up that hot...or is it 2 hours from when the center of the substrate reaches 160?


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3965637 - 03/24/05 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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14. Get water temp up to 160 / 170 F range (DO NOT GO OVER 180F).

15. Simmer submersed bag at 160 / 170 F range two (2) hours.

At this point...you only measure the water at 160...drop in the poo and time 2 hours from then? It seems to take near that long for the center of the substrate to heat up that hot...or is it 2 hours from when the center of the substrate reaches 160?





>>>>>>>>>>5. Heat pot until content is warm, but not so hot you cannot handle it, by hand.<<<<<<<<<<<<

H/poo should be pretty warm / hot (not over 180F)----- > when you load it in the bag (from #5 above).

If bag content isn't that warm - after squeeze test & bag loading - or is allowed to get cooled off.

You can microwave (nuke) the rubber band sealed bag for a very short time ( a few 30 second blasts)- until content is in the 150/160F range (not over 180F), then submerse bag in pot of water, also - pre/heated to the 160 / 170F range.

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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3965638 - 03/24/05 06:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

nevermind :crazy:

Agar beat me to it.


Edited by MrMaddHatter (03/24/05 06:14 PM)


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3965677 - 03/24/05 06:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sure does...I waited to long and barly warmed the pan...figured it was to heat the room temp water so the poo and verm would absorb it better...it got cooled pretty well by the time I started pasteurizing the bags...so I tossed them in the microwave and got them to about 140 before dropping them in the water. But I came to check today and didnt notice you letting it get that warm first and wanted to check...spawning two dish pans tonight...we'll see how it went soon.

One bag though...when I was heating it..started boiling a little....I hope it'll be ok...

They looks a little wet too...even after squeezing and draining. Next time though I think it will turn out better and I still got like 20 pounds..alrighty...thats agar..back to pressure cooking. :smile:


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3965756 - 03/24/05 06:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Going over 180F will not cause you any problems. I work with impulse sealed bags that get submerged via hot water pasteurization. Initially I bring temp around 200 to get things adjusted, then slowly bring it down from there. Especially when working with any mass of poo (10+ LBS. per bag) you are dealing with a lot of material and a thick ass core to penetrate.

My point is: Don't work too hard reaching that exact temperature range in the beginning. If your water is 200F, so be it, toss your shit in and begin the timer. I feel that a beginning higher temp helps to get things going faster. Let it drop from there and maintain temps.

Just my .02, hope it helps someone trying this out.



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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: Holydiver]
    #3992797 - 03/31/05 12:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

BUMP

Tried this tonight with an oven bag and it wouldn't sink. Just floated.

I'm guessing I need a thicker mil bag. Like a spawn bag or the like. (3 mil)


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3992847 - 03/31/05 12:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i'm finally gonig to do it right-
got a tenn-stud order coming

this is a nice condensation, as well as an addition to, the already existing method/s.

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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3992871 - 03/31/05 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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BUMP

Tried this tonight with an oven bag and it wouldn't sink. Just floated.

I'm guessing I need a thicker mil bag. Like a spawn bag or the like. (3 mil)




Bag isnt the problem :confused:. Was there a lot of air space in it.

If you had h/poo bag content to feild capacity, squeezed out the air, it should not be buoyant.

If it is, you can simply use a plate, bowl or something else softly wedged into the pot, to keep the bag submerged.

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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3993038 - 03/31/05 01:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I thought I squeezed all the air out.

I'm pretty sure it was at field capacity.

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If it is, you can simply use a plate, bowl or something else softly wedged into the pot, to keep the bag submerged.





I'll try it again here in a sec. and do that if it floats.

More than likely something I did wrong :tongue:


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3993169 - 03/31/05 01:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Agar wins the award for "Cutest Damn Avatar Ever." Like most of your posts, it always makes me smile. :thanx:


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: Darkie]
    #3993374 - 03/31/05 02:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3993393 - 03/31/05 02:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

could i do the same thing with worm castings? add the verm ?


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3993421 - 03/31/05 02:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What is the proper moisture content of compost/poo

Is it 75% like for casings?

Just curious so's I can do a oven test on it.


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: MrMaddHatter]
    #3993557 - 03/31/05 03:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3994089 - 03/31/05 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Agar, i like your sig., you should put what you consider your most informative posts in there, as a reference, :wink:

heh, I'll be moving to bags soon and can't wait, i'll be doing Agar's - Hole-puncher-oven-bag-tek lol

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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3994574 - 03/31/05 12:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This will be a bad question but here it is: with this are you jsut making cakes of some sort, do you need spores to inject.
Sorry its so dumb but you have to ask:)


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: Lemmiwinks]
    #3995589 - 03/31/05 03:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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This will be a bad question but here it is: with this are you jsut making cakes of some sort, do you need spores to inject.
Sorry its so dumb but you have to ask:)




Spores into WBS quart jars, colonize WBS, spawn into pasturized h/poo, incubate until 100% colonized, add casing cover, incubate until rhyzo shows through casing cover, expose to light / air exchange & fruit out.


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3995695 - 03/31/05 04:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm confused. Why is all this done? Can't you just order a bag of pre-pastuerized poo/straw from Tenn. Stud and spawn your colonized substrate right to that?

<---- newb to the max but the above is what I'd planned on doing with the WBS that I'm nocking next week.

I know the only stupid question is the one not asked but sometimes it feel about an inch tall when I ask em  :tongue2:

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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #3995715 - 03/31/05 04:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm confused. Why is all this done? Can't you just order a bag of pre-pastuerized poo/straw from Tenn. Stud and spawn your colonized substrate right to that?





This thread is for people that have collected their own horse poo, and still need that pasteurization step.

Yes, you can do that with Tenn. stud manure, but it's much more fun to collect it and do the steps yourself!  :smile:


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: Holydiver]
    #3995731 - 03/31/05 04:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i go with tennesee stud myself. Dont like playing with dirty field poo.


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: goofy98]
    #3995776 - 03/31/05 04:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm with Goofy on this one. Its gotta stink up the house somethin fierce too.  :eek:


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #3995783 - 03/31/05 04:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, properly aged horse poo has an almost sweet, earthy smell. It doesn't smell bad at all.


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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: goofy98]
    #3995789 - 03/31/05 04:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i go with tennesee stud myself.  Dont like playing with dirty field poo.




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Re: Doing da h/poo [Re: agar]
    #3995805 - 03/31/05 04:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Pasturized poo smells like earth, you're thinking of HUMAN FECAL MATTER :smirk:

Loving the post Agar, as always lol

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    #3995812 - 03/31/05 04:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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    #3995834 - 03/31/05 04:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Anything works, Grains has more Nutes than Brf though...

If it smells like piss, let it age more, piss=ammonia :wink:

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    #3995857 - 03/31/05 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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guyincogonito787 said:
how do you know if the poo is "properly aged"? I'm going to a stable in a week or so to collect some. -Knob




If you can find h/poo that is a bit "weathered", as in rained on & dried out a few times. It is usualy - good to go - as/is.

I/G said it right. Pick up a handfull & give it a light whiff. If it smells like good healthy garden dirt (without PISS smell). Begin gathering & go for it.

If all of it has piss smell, gather anyway. Then spread out on tarp & allow it to dry or weather out. Once piss smell is utterly gone, its good to go.


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    #3995931 - 03/31/05 05:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LOL........:rolleyes: :shrug: :biggrin:


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