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InvisibleMykro_Guy
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best substate??
    #3958337 - 03/23/05 10:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

im getting tired of wbs and the failure that come with it. I have apressure cooker and like doing quarts that get cased directly. whats a good substate and dont say BRF. I was thinking about cracked corn or pop corn or somthinglike that.


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3958343 - 03/23/05 10:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

What are you looking to do, fruit directly off this substrate? Or use it for spawn?


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3958349 - 03/23/05 10:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

use the substate for casings.... directly fruit


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3958352 - 03/23/05 10:44 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Rye, hands down.

Organic rye berries, from health food places, grain places, or feed stores. Same as Winter Rye.


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3958354 - 03/23/05 10:45 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

it seems to me that popcorn is kind of a novelty grow;

you would probably want a ratio of wbs/rye... ask diver what the ratio is.


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Re: best substate?? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3958365 - 03/23/05 10:49 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i live in Norther VA and every food health store i go to looks at me like a retard when i ask fro rye.... no on has it. anyone from around the area that knows a good place to get rye.. ill try MD or DC or VA


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Re: best substate?? [Re: psilocyben]
    #3958373 - 03/23/05 10:51 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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you would probably want a ratio of wbs/rye...




Any combo will work, but straight rye is definitely better for straight fruiting. WBS is excellent spawn material, poor for direct fruiting.

You might want to consider whole grain brown rice also. Really, really awesome results with this stuff if you get it down right. It's a bit tricky to get the moisture content right, but you'll be rewarded if you do.

I wish more people (me included) worked with straight brown rice, it's simply awesome.



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Re: best substate?? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3958390 - 03/23/05 10:55 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i see those two jars of just brown rice.... what kinda lids did you use on those..... do you need to pressure cook?


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3958408 - 03/23/05 11:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ramsey seal in that pic (verm barrier), and yes they need to be pressure cooked. It's a stationary substrate, unlike grains which can be shaken, so you need several inoculation points. Time consuming compared to rye or WBS, but still an excellent substrate.

Read about it here:

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7923


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3958432 - 03/23/05 11:14 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

verm= vermiculite?


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3958436 - 03/23/05 11:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yes


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3958459 - 03/23/05 11:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to give the brown rice a shot, I'll keep you guys posted.


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3958476 - 03/23/05 11:31 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

What's the difference between using as spawn, and using to fruit? I use eith PF style cakes or WBS and lay it down over a layer of vermiculite and then 50/50 case over that, which one am I doing?


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Clozedeyez20]
    #3958483 - 03/23/05 11:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Spawn doesnt need nutrient, it just needs to be lots of small grains (WBS). If your fruiting though, you want not only most nutes possible, but best water retention possible. Rye works better then WBS..though I use a combo of 70% rye, 20% WBS and 10% verm if I fruit..

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You may be asking what spawning is from when I re-read your question. You are fruiting directly, using the nutrients in the jars only. When you spawn, you take a bulk material such as straw, compost, or poo and pasteurize it and mix it in with the colonized jars. Then the bulk becomes your main source of nutrients for the casing and you can turn those few jars into really large casings with really heavy yeilds.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


Edited by scatmanrav (03/23/05 11:34 AM)


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Re: best substate?? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3958554 - 03/23/05 11:47 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)


I have these 12 jars with WBS almost ready to go... do you have a tek you could link me to for creating spawn... oh and I don't have straw or poo, I have coco, verm, wbs, perlite, lime, oyster, peat, but I have no straw or poo. Thanks for the help, everyone is always up and ready.  :thumbup:


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Clozedeyez20]
    #3958600 - 03/23/05 12:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Apparently you didnt understand me so I'll put it a bit simpler for you.

You have no straw or poo and dont want to get any? Then just deal with it as normal.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Mykro_Guy]
    #3958611 - 03/23/05 12:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a WGBR cake:

Just imagine what you could have when properly cased:


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Re: best substate?? [Re: Clozedeyez20]
    #3958625 - 03/23/05 12:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'll try and make it simple for you.

Spawn is mixing a colonized substrate into a bulk substrate.

colonized substrates are...BRF/Verm cakes, Rye grains, WBS, Millet, Popcorn, other types of grains...etc.

bulk substrates are...horse poo, cow manure, straw, compost, worm shit, other types of manure..etc.


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