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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3967873 - 03/25/05 08:21 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

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Yeah, unfortunately I dont find his past as an excuse to kill anyone but himself. If he had taken only his life I would be fine (some people just arent meant to live). My only beef is that he got police equipment (even if it was his grandfathers). City property and police issued gear should be better protected than that. I also disagree with the admin to that neo-nazi forum he posted on. Its not society that caused the kid to shoot people, it was that forum and the irrational ideas that the admin was discussing in the interview above. If society was to blame, society would condone shooting other and killing family. The problem is, society doesnt, that forum does.




That's not true. You have to understand that he's come from a culture that was decimated by Anglo-Americans. I would think that a subconscious unsettlement would arise in those that know of the horrors that have taken place. Especially, against his own people. His past was a byproduct of today's society. His mother was intoxicated and receieved brain damage in a car accident. Those consist of products of our civilization & society. Cars & alcohol. To say that someone's actions aren't shaped by society when they are a member of it is a discrepancy. Conflicting with the general idea that perception is reality. Your perception is morphed by society.

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zahudulallah said:
Look up Jeff Weise on Wikipedia, there are several links to a collection of posts he made on a bunch of fascist web sites.

I read some of what he wrote, and he was apparently some self proclaimed "Native Nationalist Nazi" who hated virtually all other Natives because they apparently had no Native pride or culture, and acted like blacks.

This kid was obviously sick and stupid. He confused various political ideologies with one another, posted at a socialist website as a "Proud Nazi" and reportedly had a habit of calling other kids at school "Communists".

My thoughts on the subject.. when one is still in high school, it becomes a little world of sorts. It seems virtually all school shooters are loners who take a comfort in extreme Right wing ideologies. Once in awhile these benighted youngings see it fit to create their own mini-holocaust. It's quite sad really, because chances are if Jeff Weise or the Columbine killers simply toughed it out for a few years, by the time they're in their early 20s they would likely have lost all interest this strange teenage subculture of gothic hitlerism. Even the most extreme adult fascists can see how utterly childish it is to shoot up your high school and off yourself afterwards in the name of Adolf Hitler. The general evil and ignorance that is within humans evidently surfaces once in awhile in such events. If Hitler were born today, chances are he would end up shooting up his high school as a teenager before rising to power as a fascist dictator.

And finally, yes... School shootings are definately a Pre-9-11 thing. These days disillusioned youths take out their anger on the Bush Administration instead of their peers.




I'll be a nice guy and say he was confused at heart. He was also hypocritical. Claiming his fellow people of not embracing their culture while at the same time not embracing his own. I mean..come on. What Native American tribe do you know of that commited genocide? Yet, he idolized Hitler to an extent.

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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: trick]
    #3967906 - 03/25/05 08:38 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

Nice sig


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: ricochet]
    #3967947 - 03/25/05 08:57 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

ricochet, thanx for posting that interview, it was pretty interesting actually.

Indeed, today's society is a hard thing to look at for a teenager that is relatively new to the existence on this planet. It does bring out a feeling of despair when you realize what the motor of this society is: materialism.

Quote from the interview;
"I believe modern society has lost its way and replaced our natural way of life with a soul-destroying, nature-consuming, hollow existence in pursuit of material pleasures."

I think this is a true and predominant feeling that teenagers all around the globe are sensing. The fact that America is where this feeling is the strongest is the reason why it is where the reactions are the most violent.

Somewhere in my heart, i feel for the guy who committed these crimes, i know where he came from, i feel the despair he must have felt that led to such an act. Although i would never be able to shoot someone randomly, i don't judge him for what he did. Its a call from the heart to alert people that things aren't going the right way.

And somewhere, one could argue that he couldn't do anything better with his life than this. He might have killed ten people, but at the same time he might have awakened 10,000 others to the situation our society is in today.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: AaronEvil]
    #3967994 - 03/25/05 09:19 AM (19 years, 8 days ago)

You can be a National Socialist of any race, simply because being a National Socialist revolves around maintaining the purity of your race, and separating the other races and breeding with the other races from it. White people may be the most common National Socialists, but the word can apply to any (presumably) racially pure person of one race who wants to preserve that race.

I read Jeff Weis' livejournal on Wikipedia, it's http://www.livejournal.com/users/weise/ for people interested. On his userinfo, he claims to be a Native American stoner, quite a marijuana smoker.

Also, isn't Libertarian National Socialist Green party full of contradictions? Those three idealogies would definitely have some rough spots if they were combined, I wonder how they deal with it.


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Re: Shooting up schools is soooo 5 years ago. [Re: trick]
    #3971149 - 03/26/05 12:21 AM (19 years, 7 days ago)

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trick said:
That's not true. You have to understand that he's come from a culture that was decimated by Anglo-Americans. I would think that a subconscious unsettlement would arise in those that know of the horrors that have taken place. Especially, against his own people. His past was a byproduct of today's society. His mother was intoxicated and receieved brain damage in a car accident. Those consist of products of our civilization & society. Cars & alcohol. To say that someone's actions aren't shaped by society when they are a member of it is a discrepancy. Conflicting with the general idea that perception is reality. Your perception is morphed by society.




Dont get me wrong, I feel for the trouble the kid went through; however, I dont think his culture is a reason to kill people. Every culture went through something similar. But in the US you can get away with saying you do stupid shit because "your people" were slaves. I can understand being upset by stuff like that, but I dont think killing RANDOM people is a way to solve it. I think his mind is shaped by society, all our minds are, but society isnt to blame for our actions. When will people start accepting blame for what they did? Its always someone elses fault. If I shoot myself in the head, its not societies fault, its mine for putting a gun to my head and pulling the trigger. He shot 10 people, he is responsible for 10 peoples deaths. No where in society (at least the society I live in) is killing your peers accepted. To say that society called out and told him to do this is not something I can take in easily. I also dont agree that taking 10 lives is a trade off for making 10,000 people aware of a situation that may or may not be happening. My point... blame him for his actions.


By the way, I can see how a lot of people feel the same kind of feeling that he felt. The difference is you dont shoot up schools or the office. So if you dont do it, why does he? Its obviously not a society thing otherwise we would all be doing it.


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