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InvisibleBolwarra
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Gymnopilus sp?
    #3957132 - 03/23/05 12:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Hi,
I was hoping someone might be able ID these Gyms' to species for me.

Cap: 2-6cm wide - pale yellow/orange to pale brown. Convex to nearly plane with age. Surface wet in feel with brown to purple scales. slightly in curved margin. mature specimens undulating.

Gills: andante to sinuate - pale yellow to orange. spacing close.

Stipe: 10-15mm wide, 30-100mm long, hollow, thicker at base. Red parallel striations becoming a pale orange at apex. annulus present.

Spore print - rusty orange.

Habitat: NSW Australia - Found growing at both the base of a Eucalyptus tree and in a pile of decomposing Eucalyptus mulch nearby. Cespitose.

Bruising dark brown/black on stipe.
Blue/green bruising noticed on mycelium and very base of stipe only.

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any help would be great.
cheers :smile:


Edited by Bolwarra (03/23/05 01:02 AM)


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #3958105 - 03/23/05 08:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well it sure seems to have blueing. I would think it may be a close relative somewhere between Gymnopilus Spectabilis and Ventricosus. I find a lot of different Gyms but never any that had any blueing and never consumed any either.


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #3958191 - 03/23/05 09:48 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'll wait for the pros but you just might have some gyms.. By the way- Gyms are very hard to dose, and from what I hear you have to eat a pretty hefty ammount, and also I hear that the potency varries GREATLY between gym strains(or species)


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: MasonsChild]
    #3958201 - 03/23/05 09:52 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The previous Gyms i have found never showed bluing either.

Does anyone have info on Australian Gyms?
ATM my only source is Stamets guide and the net. have found reference to 8 different species in Australia? (some look to be synonyms)
and very few published descriptions/photos that i can find.

to me G. spectabilis doesn't seem to fit. mainly because the Caps i have seen remain small and G. spectablisis can grow to 40cm? also i thought G. spec tends to be thinner at the base?

i don't have any info on G. ventricosus.
so basically i don't even know if G.spec or G.vent even occur in Australia? anyone have any info on this?

G. purpuratus doesn't fit either.

basically i'm not all concerned with an ID really, but it would be nice to know.
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either way i think ill attempt to get some mycelium and try an isolate it, or maybe just prepare an outdoor bed and just use it as spawn? maybe both...


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #3958210 - 03/23/05 09:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

flowstone: yes i thats what i've been lead to believe too.

i haven't given much thought to eating these...found plenty maggots though :crazy:


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #3958472 - 03/23/05 11:30 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Those look really familiar. I'll check some books when I get home tonight.

Nice finds.


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: Bolwarra]
    #3959088 - 03/23/05 01:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Unfortunately, Hesler's monograph on the genus is a monograph on the North American species.

From that reference we really need some microscopic data to verify ID. However, only one of the species in subgenus Annulati (the species with persistent rings) is listed as growing from eucalyptus. If we use that as the basis for identification then those are Gymnopilus imperialis. They do resemble the description of that species.

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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #3960190 - 03/23/05 05:04 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I was actually trying to get ahold of a copy of Hesler's Gymnopilus book that you mentioned ToxicMan, but found that everything was back ordered, out of stock, or they just couldn't find it. Same goes for his book on the genus Hygrophorus.
Identification down to species is really tough for gyms, beautiful pics however, those are quite the majestic looking specimens.


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: eris]
    #3960389 - 03/23/05 05:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Those are nice


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: cosmicsea]
    #3961042 - 03/23/05 07:44 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Those look like the specimens of Gymnopilus luteofolius pictured in Stamets "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World."

They have been found fruiting from Eucalyptus wood chips in California in from June through November.

You found yours fruiting from Eucalyptus wood chips in the beginning of Southern hemisphere Autumn.

It all sound right to me, and they look just like the ones in Stamets book. I can't find a picture of Gymnopilus imperialis, so I can't really compare them.

Gymnopilus luteofolius are reported to be weakly to moderately active; I think that is what you have. If you decide to consume them I suggest you make a tea. PM me if you want a recipe.


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Re: Gymnopilus sp? [Re: shroomydan]
    #3962301 - 03/23/05 11:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

thanks Shroomydan.
i agree, they do resemble the G. luteofolius from Stamets guide.
thanks for the info Shroomydan, ToxicMan and everyone else :smile:

I'll attempt to spawn these to wood chips, P. Stamets suggests it can be done fairly easily, so i'm hoping for the best.

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