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Invisibleniteowl
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Terri Schivo Poll.....Live or Die.
    #3956814 - 03/23/05 12:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Simple poll

Should the feeding tube be removed....let her die already!!!!

Should the tube be kept in as long as it is medically able...even if we can keep her heart beating & lungs working for 200+ years.
Should the tube be removed or not.
You may choose only one
Yes.....let her die.
No..keep the tube in.


Votes accepted from (03/23/05 12:00 AM) to (No end specified)
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Terri Schivol..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: niteowl]
    #3957046 - 03/23/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Boy, this issue keeps coming up(many times) here, and I really don't know how to answer "correctly"....    From my past, I would say she should be left on the tube....  But now with trying to rationalize positive or negative intentions, I have to work it thru.... 
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1) Terri Schivo, she has no intentions if she is "brain dead" - that we know of....  ----
2) Would it be of positive intentions to keep her alive....  Yes....
3) Would it be of negative intentions to let her die....  Yes.... 
(As a financial and "time sucking" burdon to others, it would be selfish to let her die....)
4) How would people feel if she woke up at the last moment, said she was hungry, then died from malnutrition or dehydration...?  (bad)
5) What if they found a magical CURE for whatever is wrong with her after she had died....?  (anything is possible...)
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I don't know who this woman is, but for what reasons would it serve to pull any plugs besides to lessen the burdon, or the costs of others around her....?  Besides the "fear" that someone would be loosing some "coin" from somewhere....?  A life is not worth a coin....  I know a lot of non-productive people sitting around that are not really "living" life....  So do we stop feeding all of the seriously impaired nursing home elders because they are costing us "money"....?  And do we stop feeding all of the newborn babies because they cannot fend for themselves....?  Or do we hope that there is potential in them to survive....    What if in her "brain dead travels" she wakes up with the cure to aids in her head....?
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I have paid a lot of fucken insurance money in my lifetime, and have actually used very little of it in comparison....    Let the insurance pay until her time comes.....    It is just money......    :shrug:
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/ rant  (I don't know where all that came from....!)  :lol:
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I will send my love to her, maybe that will help.... 
Maybe we should ALL send our love to her.... 
If we are all one, no reason why we can't wake her up so she can feed herself.... 
Perhaps she is just lost out of her body, and needs a little guidance....(?)  :heart:
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I say keep the feeding tube in....


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Re: Terri Schivol..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #3957178 - 03/23/05 01:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If modern medicine finds a way to keep her alive for ever.

should we.......


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Re: Terri Schivo Poll.....Live or Die. [Re: niteowl]
    #3957196 - 03/23/05 01:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I voted yes but, only if she gets jacked with a lethal dose of morphine. I don't see why her family has to watch her dehydrate over a 3 week period. So it may be a peaceful passing for Teri without it the doctors say, but her parents are conscious and I think it would help to make her passing more peaceful for them.

Her husband did say that she would have wished to be let to die but she did not have a written living will.

This whole drama has had my husband and I discussing it and we also plan to get a living will made up because apparently, just telling someone your wishes isn't enough.


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: niteowl]
    #3957207 - 03/23/05 01:10 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It was from "Johnny got yer~ guns", or something close to that, a movie I have never seen....  That guy was fubar'd, from a land mine or something....  What happened to Terri....?    I honestly don't know anything about her story....  Is she messed up like that, or is she just in a coma or sumthin....?


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #3957317 - 03/23/05 01:35 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

eMotionALLmotion said:
Is she messed up like that, or is she just in a coma or sumthin.....?






No she isnt even in a coma...she is BRAIN DEAD.



The point I was trying to make.....When does your life truly end.

If you had your arms, legs, and face blown off by a bomb. You could not talk or hear, someone has to feed you change you take care of you......


You could posssibly be kept alove for 100+ years....laying on a bed......wishing you could just die....would you want to die or be kept in a prison that has just become you body


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: niteowl]
    #3957448 - 03/23/05 02:13 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

She is actually severely brain damaged, not brain dead. One quarter of her brain has gone bye-bye and that space is now filled with cerebrospinal fluid instead of brain tissue.

I think one thing that moves people to support her being shackled to her body is that she seems to be responsive in those video tapes they keep showing over and over again. But you can be in a persistent vegetative state, as she is, and have reflexive body movements. Now if I go in with a camera for four hours and try to get her to respond to me, eventually a number of those involuntary movements will synch up with my actions making it appear she is responding to them. She is not.

A court appointed guardian demonstrated that by going in and attempting to communicate with her. She (or more accurately her body) performed all those actions seen in the famous videotape, but at random times- she would do them sometimes when he gave her a stimulus, sometimes she would not. He stood behind her bed and she would do the same thing. He stood outside her door- same result.

I can't really feel any negativity towards her parents- if anything they are guilty of too much love, too much attachment to their daughter. You can't fault them for that, but you can wish they'd let her be free. If they really believe in heaven, let her go there and they won't be far behind judging by their ages.


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: Jellric]
    #3957609 - 03/23/05 03:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I voted yes. The reason why? Simple... DIGNITY!

what kind of life is she living?! Stuck in a room, chained to a bed? I agree that starvation is a little extreme, but human euthanasia is illegal, so what can you do?

The body dies and withers, the soul (universal consciousness) lives on forever as the universe turns and twists. Let go of that which is already lost and let all of our souls go free.

p.s. If I'm in a vegetative state, just kill me. Please.

p.p.s. I think it's kinda sick how her parents live vicariously through their daughter, treating her like some little doll that is simply there for them to have hair to brush, baths to give, etc. They can't take into consideration her own pain, and simply want to keep her alive to make themselves feel better.

Everyone needs an object to love, and it helps if you have complete control over that object. The only problem is that this love turns sour...


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: niteowl]
    #3958374 - 03/23/05 10:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

As much as I would like to see her pass peacefully from this world, I can't honestly claim that I'm an expert regarding this situatoin. Terri Schivo is in a vegetative state - but does that give us the right to end her existence.

On one level, I want them to pull the plug, or euthenize her, but, I have talked to a few Tibetan Lamas about this very situation. The overwhelming majority of them argued that there is still a life process to be had. There is still mindstream activity, and her karma is still being affected. The Lamas' answer got me thinking, perhaps we should let her live.


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: KungFu_Shaman]
    #3958551 - 03/23/05 11:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

wow, americans seemed to ber very confused. They spend billions of dollars to kill 100,000 healthy Iraqis, and then spend millions of dollars to keep one brain dead white woman alive.

this, is the epitome of mass hysteria.


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: Doom]
    #3958579 - 03/23/05 11:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What irks me is that the family keeps saying Terri deserves to die a natural death. Well if it was natural she'd be dead 15 years ago. The woman is on a feeding tube. I don't know how pleasant a life that would be.. demobilized, half brain-dead, and eating and drinking through a straw in your throat or whatever. Take the machines away I say.


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: niteowl]
    #3959202 - 03/23/05 02:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
she is BRAIN DEAD.
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The point I was trying to make.....When does your life truly end.
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If you had your arms, legs, and face blown off by a bomb. You could not talk or hear, someone has to feed you change you take care of you......
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You could posssibly be kept alove for 100+ years....laying on a bed......wishing you could just die....would you want to die or be kept in a prison that has just become you body



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OK, I thought about this some more....  This is a personal decision....  I read a little about her story, and what happened was thru some strange chemical balances in her body, her heart stopped "briefly" back in 1990, and she has been in this state since then.... 
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Perhaps this will make people start having living wills to cover such things....  I still believe it is her choice, so how does one decide when, and who, when she can't make a choice any more....?


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #3959250 - 03/23/05 02:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well the argument goes that her husband wants to cut off the life support because she wouldn't want to live that way. Her parents say he is just doing it for the money and their daughter should be able to die a natural death. But if the husband was doing it for the money why would he have spent so much money fighting legal battles with the parents and refused offers of 10 million dollars to drop his case? He's lost money on the case. And the husband insists that Terri was the kind of person that did not believe in living from a tube and would not want to be kept alive for so long on some false hope. 15 years as a vegetable... can you imagine?
The parents keep asking to extend the time, so they can do more tests and "there may be a chance she can come back".. I mean come on.. enough is enough. They usually only let most people live as vegetables for a few weeks.. maybe months before they pull the plug. This has been going on for YEARS. I think it's inhumane to keep someone hooked up to machines like that. That's no life.


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: Shroomism]
    #3959332 - 03/23/05 02:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, if it were me and went a full year and my mind was not back yet, I would hope they would let me go....  I like Jiggy's idea, might as well go off with a launch....! 
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And I have to imagine her whole body would be sore....  I can't lay in a bed or on a couch for more than 8-10 hours before may back starts hurtin....  15 years later, my soul would be sceamin so loud that all the glass in the world would be shattered....!  :lol:
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I bet this changes things in US laws concerning these issues....  I think a lot of changes are commin soon.... 
Exciting times we live in....!    I can feel it in the air.....    :heart:


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Re: Terri Schivo Poll.....Live or Die. [Re: niteowl]
    #3959362 - 03/23/05 02:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If not dead today, she'll be dead tomorrow.


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Re: Terri Schivo Poll.....Live or Die. [Re: niteowl]
    #3959421 - 03/23/05 02:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

So, would you rather live dying? or die living?
both you say? ... :sun:


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Re: Terri Schivo..... Let her LIVE...... [Re: Doom]
    #3959442 - 03/23/05 02:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Doom said:
wow, americans seemed to ber very confused. They spend billions of dollars to kill 100,000 healthy Iraqis, and then spend millions of dollars to keep one brain dead white woman alive.

this, is the epitome of mass hysteria.




this is true. But I don't think it's neccessarily an American thing. I think all of humanity needs to get it's priorities straight.


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Re: Terri Schivo Poll.....Live or Die. [Re: Gomp]
    #3959552 - 03/23/05 02:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I wrote a poem about Terri Schiavo

ANTI LIFE
Split raven pilots and Christians
Fighting to drink water
Terri Schiavo giving birth to
Elian Gonzales
Life and death
Left and Right
Each hand gets dirty
Now it's Terri's plight
Finally I'm dying and
All I can see is the Pope
Protect the fetus!
Protect the vegetables!
We're all out of political produce
Let the Pope die already,
That's our dying hope
And while he's at it he can take poor Schiavo with him


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Re: Terri Schivo Poll.....Live or Die. [Re: niteowl]
    #3959981 - 03/23/05 04:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I honestly don't know what to think..

I am gratefull I do not have to make these kinds of decisions


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