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InvisibleKingOftheThing
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real right wingers think bush sucks too
    #3956305 - 03/22/05 11:20 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050322/ap_on_go_pr_wh/schiavo_conservatives
Bush Role in Schiavo Case Bothers Right

Tue Mar 22, 6:21 PM ET White House - AP


By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Not all conservatives are happy with the decision by Congress and President Bush (news - web sites) to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case. Some leaders said Tuesday the new law allowing a federal court review of the case is an example of the big government they have always opposed.



"To simply say that the 'culture of life,' or whatever you call it means that we don't have to pay attention to the principles of federalism or separation of powers is certainly not a conservative viewpoint," said former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga.


Allan Lichtman, who chairs the history department at American University in Washington, said the intervention of Congress and Bush to try to overturn the decision by Schiavo's husband not to prolong her life is the antithesis of several conservative principles.


"It contradicts a lot of what those behind it say they believe: the sanctity of the family, the sacred bond between husband and wife, the ability of all of us to make private decisions without the hand of government intervening, deference to states and localities as opposed to the centralized government," said Lichtman.


Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped briefly. She can breathe on her own, but has relied on a feeding tube to keep her alive since.


The feeding tube was removed Friday under a Florida court order, but Congress passed a law Monday requiring a federal court review of the case in the hope that the judge hearing it would order the tube reinserted. U.S. District Court Judge James Whittemore of Tampa rejected the plea of Schiavo's parents to do that.


The case evolved into a cause for social "right to life" conservatives who oppose abortion and euthanasia. Bush justified the action, saying the case was complex but that it was better to err on the side of life.


But Republican Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record) of Virginia voted against the legislation, saying it goes against the conservative principles of federalism.


"That the misfortunes of life vested upon Theresa Marie Schiavo are a human tragedy, no one can deny. I said my prayers, as did many Americans, as we attended religious services this Palm Sunday," he said. "I believe it unwise for the Congress to take from the state of Florida its constitutional responsibility to resolve the issues in this case."


David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union, says he has mixed feelings about what Congress and Bush did.


Conservatives "who questioned the wisdom of the federal government reaching down and interfering with the state courts have a very valid point," Keene said. "In Congress, most conservatives have said, 'We're cognizant of that fact and that's why we have done this so narrowly because we don't think there's another choice.' But those who are concerned about precedent should be concerned about it."


Julian E. Zelizer, a Boston University history professor who specializes in congressional trends, said a conservative Republican movement that "built itself in the 1970s around attacking government has become the party of big government since 2000."


"Starting with the war against terrorism and climaxing with Congress intervening in this case, we see a GOP that is quite comfortable flexing the muscle of Washington, and a Democratic Party which is increasingly finding itself in favor of limiting government," Zelizer said


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3956393 - 03/22/05 11:28 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

In many ways Bush seems like a big government liberal. The only big thing he has gotten right so far is the war. He has some good ideas about social security though.


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3956856 - 03/23/05 12:08 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Most of the republicans now days aren't conservatives at all. I wish they would conserve the real ideals of democracy.


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3957189 - 03/23/05 01:07 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

are you kidding that bush got the war right??? i mean you have to be kidding, like haha wow if i thought u were serious


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3957219 - 03/23/05 01:12 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

I predict a huge backlash against government involvement in the Terri Shiavo case.


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3957223 - 03/23/05 01:14 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Actually King I couldn't have imagined it going any better when we decided to go to war. Things are going better than I expected, and at a much faster pace.


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: infidelGOD]
    #3958563 - 03/23/05 11:50 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

infidelGOD said:
I predict a huge backlash against government involvement in the Terri Shiavo case.




I predict channels being changed, coors lite being swallowed and shiavos being quickly forgotten as the next big circus freak show rolls into town.


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: Doom]
    #3958714 - 03/23/05 12:32 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I think you're right....minus the coors lite.


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3958861 - 03/23/05 01:03 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

the blanket dumbing down of america inevitably dillutes
individual thought and personal responsibility across all
parties and positions.

what we're seeing now is a global shift further towards
retarded where liberals are even more shrill than before
and conservatives start dipping into the realms of the
nanny-state and centralized power.

can't wait until the pendulum swings back towards the
original spirit of american governance and citizenry.


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: afoaf]
    #3960890 - 03/23/05 07:12 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

^Word.

I want my own hemp garden God Damnit!


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Re: real right wingers think bush sucks too [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3961333 - 03/23/05 08:58 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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the ability of all of us to make private decisions without the hand of government intervening, deference to states and localities as opposed to the centralized government," said Lichtman.




How much you wanna bet this same guy jacks off every night about locking up pot smokers.




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