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Basidiocarp
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: TODAY]
#3971097 - 03/26/05 12:04 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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TODAY said: wow. well said, that really makes me think.
Awesome that you're thinking about this stuff... That really is my point in posting all of these arguments: to get people to think. All actions start with thoughts, after all.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Basidiocarp]
#3971438 - 03/26/05 02:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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very true
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Basidiocarp]
#3974644 - 03/26/05 11:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes but think about the thousand and thousands (NORML comes to mind) that do protest and try to make changes, what have their efforts accomplished? Pretty much nothing in terms of drug legislation. The majority of the US does not want pot legalized (and certainly not other drugs), and in a democracy, majority rules. I agree 100% that people should get into activism and fight for what they believe in, but it certainly isn't as easy as saying "if people would get off their ass and do something, the drug laws would change."
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: theocean06]
#3974818 - 03/27/05 12:05 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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The thousands and thousands that do protest, including NORML, and everyone that continues to do so will help in the long run though. If there weren't any protestors nothing would ever change. But yeah you're right, it isn't as easy as saying go protest and things will change. It takes a lot of hard work and effort from a lot of people over a long period of time.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Locus]
#3975093 - 03/27/05 02:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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it doesn't help that many conservatives cannot think for themselves either. They are easily programmed by the media and misleading studies or just hear say bullshit. The majority of america is not educated and without a true education, a person usually cannot make an intelligent decision. Majority tend to just listen to what a party or person has to say but doesn't check the facts, sources or studies. America is total bullshit at the moment.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Locus]
#3976088 - 03/27/05 01:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Locus said: The thousands and thousands that do protest, including NORML, and everyone that continues to do so will help in the long run though. If there weren't any protestors nothing would ever change. But yeah you're right, it isn't as easy as saying go protest and things will change. It takes a lot of hard work and effort from a lot of people over a long period of time.
AMEN BRUTHA! Protesting isn't just about gathering together in a crowd and yelling things through a bullhorn... That is just but one part of political activism. Real change is brought about by a combination of active protest and more behind-the-scenes work like grass-roots outreach communication (door to door stuff, blogs, websites, emailings), editorial writings, meetings with elected officials, etc. The key to bringing all of this together is organization, something I think that is lacking in a lot of our socially-progressive activist groups.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: lilbilski4life]
#3976401 - 03/27/05 03:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with the consensus in this thread for the most part. I fall in the sometimes category. I'm proud of the American citizenry and our strength to over come obstacles, like 9/11.
Although, I am not proud of our government and it's decision making as of late. Not to mention that we American people have placed Bush back into office. It is unfortunate that a majority of Americans now, support our presidents ignorance. But this is still the greatest nation in the world with the most freedoms.
Of course I don't really agree with the 3 C's of American life. Capitalism, commercialism, & consumerism. The corporate ranks of America have more rights than the individual. This is most distressing to me. I wish there was another way to support a free society. Unfortunately this is the only way right now. I hope one day people will be truly free. Without attaching all these material things to the ideology of freedom! Without individuals having to slave for corporations and business. Without mass media brainwashing. Without invasive laws which takes an individuals right to choose for him/her self what he/she ingests. Without the fear of freethinking and open mindedness. Without, without, without....
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: derx]
#3989532 - 03/30/05 09:35 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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derx said: it doesn't help that many conservatives cannot think for themselves either.
For every conservative I can say that about, I can point to some tree-hugger at my school and say the same thing about them.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: lilbilski4life]
#3993032 - 03/30/05 11:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am embarrassed by our administration. Bankrupt schools, drilling for oil in Alaska, roadways being built through sacred lands, anti-gay, corporate loving, religious right, murder for oil, war mongers, civil liberty violators, complete inarticulate uncharasmatic, lying president. I am sad for our country. When I think that appx. half of the voting population voted for this it depresses me, poor mo fo's. i think they need to take a trip w/ some mushrooms and open new doors.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: ShOoOg]
#3993349 - 03/31/05 12:28 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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When I think that appx. half of the voting population voted for this it depresses me, poor mo fo's.
In the president's defense, though, the competition sucked.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Silversoul]
#3993431 - 03/31/05 12:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Paradigm said: In the president's defense, though, the competition sucked.
And that's the best defense you can muster for Dubbyah? He's OK because his competition sucked? That speaks volumes against him and his administration in and of itself.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Basidiocarp]
#3997061 - 03/31/05 06:49 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I never said he's ok. Just that the voters didn't have much to choose from.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: lilbilski4life]
#3997630 - 03/31/05 08:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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not really.
I find it hard to be proud of something that I did not accomplish myself. Just because my parents fucked in America doesnt give me a reason to pat myself on the back...
I can think of 20 different places I'd rather be from...
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Vvellum]
#3998487 - 04/01/05 01:26 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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id have to agree with faslimy. 39 of the american presidents can be traced back all the way to charlamange. your founding fathers were royals. meny of them were also freemasons. if u realy want to know what the founders were thingking u might want to take a good look at the layout of washington DC. corruption and backdoor 'divide and concour' politics are nothing new. America was founded on it.
now this is not to say that the peaple themselves were not capable of breathing life into this idea of liberty etc. the american dream is alive and surely something to be proud of but i can assure u this is not what your founders had in mind...
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Vertigo6911]
#3998585 - 04/01/05 02:21 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh you really wanted to get me fired up, eh?
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Vertigo6911 said: 39 of the american presidents can be traced back all the way to charlamange.
Can you tell me what the blood lineage of 39 of our presidents has to to with the argument at hand? Unlike monarchies that perhaps you are more familiar with, we actually hold ELECTIONS that make such concepts as primogeniture and blood lineage MOOT. If your own European royals had been a tad bit less INCESTUOUS, haemophilia might not even be a recognized disease (check any pedigree relating Queen Victoria to the royal houses of Russia and beyond). Point is, blood lineage is just that: lineage. It does not determine political policy. Get a clue.
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your founding fathers were royals. meny of them were also freemasons.
What's your point? Regardless of lineage, some members of the colonies opted to fight for independence, others opted to stick with the established British rule. You will not find any direct corellation between "royal" lineage and who was a "tory" and who decided to fight for independence. And freemasonry: again, what the hell is your point? Mozart was a Mason, my best friend's dad is a mason, none of this has to do with being "royal," and has nothing to do with the American Revolution.
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If u realy want to know what the founders were thingking u might want to take a good look at the layout of washington DC. corruption and backdoor 'divide and concour' politics are nothing new. America was founded on it.
Please. Enlighten me, oh great scholar of American history. What, exactly, does the layout of D.C. have to do with what the Founding Fathers were thinking? You might want to check the chronology of American history and our capitols before you answer, lest you make more of an ass of yourself than you already have. I suppose that you think that the formal outlining of a representative democracy, with robust ideas such as Separation of Powers, and the built-in ability to make ammendments to make way for future change, were simple by-products of some other grand nefarious plan? The Constitution of the United States of America was just a smokescreen, eh? I dare you to say it, if you have the courage.
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now this is not to say that the peaple themselves were not capable of breathing life into this idea of liberty etc. the american dream is alive and surely something to be proud of but i can assure u this is not what your founders had in mind...
Oh really, well thanks. Where exactly did our Founding Fathers' lofty ideas and ideals of liberty come from? It most certainly did not come from the oppressive, classist, and incestuous monarchies of Europe.
I will defend to the death what our Founding Fathers stood for. Has America strayed far from those ideals? Yes. But in doing so, it has simply regressed and become atavistic in a sense, mimicing the oppressive colonial regimes of your old Europe.
If you want to debate current American policy, then so be it. But do NOT attack the foundations and ideals upon which my country was built.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: lilbilski4life]
#3998628 - 04/01/05 02:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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that layout was designed on order of one of those dudes wasnt it? bout the same time the dollar was designed...
and im not attaching any ideals. im proposing that it was the peaple who made the american dream into waht it is today. and that the founders merely ceated it as a false promise to keep them buisy as politicians do...
the fact is that george washington had already made an oath to serves others, at the penealty of gruesome death, before he became president.
also im trying to pose the idea that if 39 of em come from 1 family and bush gets a second term then maybe its time to realise that your voting system is a farce. 2004 was the first time in history that the candidate with the lesser ammount of royal genes was not made president. for some reason kerry didnt cut it...
oh and one more thing, this topic is about usa so thats what i comment on. i have the same misguivings about every other country, including my own, excluding iran.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Vertigo6911]
#4000929 - 04/01/05 02:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vertigo6911 said: id have to agree with faslimy. 39 of the american presidents can be traced back all the way to charlamange.
One of my ancestors was a Holy Roman Emperor, too. In fact, when you go back that far, I think you'll find a sizeable portion of the people you meet can be traced back to royal blood as well.
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your founding fathers were royals.
No, they declared their independence from the royals.
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meny of them were also freemasons.
Yes, and they promoted the freemason values of liberty, republicanism, and limited government.
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if u realy want to know what the founders were thingking u might want to take a good look at the layout of washington DC. corruption and backdoor 'divide and concour' politics are nothing new.
I take it by that you mean the layout of D.C. has some sort of freemason connotation. Big fucking woop! So a bunch of our founding fathers were freemasons and created a government emphasizing freemason values(which are much more noble than you conspiracy nuts give them credit for).
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America was founded on it.
America was founded on the ideas of limited government, representative democracy, and individual freedom.
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now this is not to say that the peaple themselves were not capable of breathing life into this idea of liberty etc. the american dream is alive and surely something to be proud of but i can assure u this is not what your founders had in mind...
Actually, that is exactly what the founders had in mind. Not only that--it's actually what the freemasons had in mind.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Vertigo6911]
#4001511 - 04/01/05 04:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vertigo, I think that your wing-nut conspiracy/royalty/Freemason theories have been thoroughly trounced by Paradigm and myself. If I get any deeper into this I'm going to end up lashing out with some good old fashioned ad hominem attacks, which would hold just about as much validity as your whacky arguments. C ya later.
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Basidiocarp]
#4003670 - 04/02/05 02:05 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"One of my ancestors was a Holy Roman Emperor, too. In fact, when you go back that far, I think you'll find a sizeable portion of the people you meet can be traced back to royal blood as well."
what?! dude how meny peaple in your country? and u pose that 39 presidents turning out to be of 1 family is a coincidense? i dont see how its possible. especialy given the background of the original colonists...
"Yes, and they promoted the freemason values of liberty, republicanism, and limited government."
sorry dude, the masons are into fashism. pm me a mail adress and ill send u some proof.
"i take it by that you mean the layout of D.C. has some sort of freemason connotation. Big fucking woop! So a bunch of our founding fathers were freemasons and created a government emphasizing freemason values(which are much more noble than you conspiracy nuts give them credit for)."
there is not a god damn thing nobel about the freemasons.
again send me an addy and ill show you.
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2 distorted and inverted (satanic) pentagrams. 2 hexagrams 2 solstice lines 2 equinox lines 1 metatron's cube 1 masonic symbol
and a horned owl sitting in the yard of the capitol... in case u didnt know the horned owl is a masonic symbol for 'Molock'. a mythilogical figure that was amoung those who inspired the christian satan.
all of this designed and chosen out of a bunch of designs without any occultism in a time when whitches were burnt at the stake for alleged wichcraft...
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Re: are u proud to be a American citizen? [Re: Vertigo6911]
#4003889 - 04/02/05 04:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vertigo6911 said: "One of my ancestors was a Holy Roman Emperor, too. In fact, when you go back that far, I think you'll find a sizeable portion of the people you meet can be traced back to royal blood as well."
what?! dude how meny peaple in your country? and u pose that 39 presidents turning out to be of 1 family is a coincidense? i dont see how its possible. especialy given the background of the original colonists...
Genetics obviously isn't your strong suit.
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"Yes, and they promoted the freemason values of liberty, republicanism, and limited government."
sorry dude, the masons are into fashism. pm me a mail adress and ill send u some proof.
I have a PM box just like any other Shroomery member. But please don't waste my time with this stupid Illuminati bullshit. My grandfather was a freemason. High up there, too: Knights Templar. From what I know of him, he was certainly not a fascist.
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"i take it by that you mean the layout of D.C. has some sort of freemason connotation. Big fucking woop! So a bunch of our founding fathers were freemasons and created a government emphasizing freemason values(which are much more noble than you conspiracy nuts give them credit for)."
there is not a god damn thing nobel about the freemasons.
again send me an addy and ill show you.
Again, I have a PM box. Anything you want to send me, you can send it there. Or better yet, post it here so everyone else can see this bullshit.
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2 distorted and inverted (satanic) pentagrams. 2 hexagrams 2 solstice lines 2 equinox lines 1 metatron's cube 1 masonic symbol
Don't care Don't care Don't care
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and a horned owl sitting in the yard of the capitol... in case u didnt know the horned owl is a masonic symbol for 'Molock'. a mythilogical figure that was amoung those who inspired the christian satan.
Christians consider any non-Christian deity to be satanic. No news there.
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all of this designed and chosen out of a bunch of designs without any occultism in a time when whitches were burnt at the stake for alleged wichcraft...
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