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    #3942679 - 03/20/05 04:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

just a quick question would it b possible to pressure cook enough wbs jars to fill up say a 80 litre rubbermaid container and then inoculate it in ther and seal it with polyfill and lid this is the only effective idea i can think to suppl enough spawn for a larger scale bulk substrate grow if anyone can suggest how to create enough spawn to fill 8 4' x 8' x 6'' tables with spawn and substrate it would be oh so greatly appreciated


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3942961 - 03/20/05 08:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ever heard of spawnbags?

check unicornbags.com,
your idea with the container will most likely contam.
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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3943050 - 03/20/05 09:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

you can buy pre-made substrate
you can buy from pet shops substrate that are sterelized
fill the big container then colonize with spawn bags or you may try with liquid growth medium

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/8005

the more inoculante you place more difficult will be to appear contamination, but the strain you intend to culture should be an agressive one. There are ways of Non-Sterile Mushroom Cultivation but i've never tried... see

http://www.mycomasters.com/


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3943692 - 03/20/05 01:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

80 liter = 72.6466383 quart [US, dry]

Easier to round to 73quarts. Use 18-20quarts for around 25% spawn ratio.

Spawn it to 50+-quarts of your Bulk substrate.

Just seems easier then spending days on PC'ing 73 quart jars of WBS.


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: dobinky]
    #3943980 - 03/20/05 02:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

does anyone have any post to a step by step guide to spawn bag run


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3944051 - 03/20/05 02:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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mxer_kx said:
does anyone have any post to a step by step guide to spawn bag run




Can you make jars? Its amazing, but just do the same in a bag and voila! :thumbup:


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3944116 - 03/20/05 03:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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mxer_kx said:
does anyone have any post to a step by step guide to spawn bag run




here you go mate:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3840489/Main/3777212/an/0/page/0

its actually the link from my sig saying spawnbag pictorial :wink:
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Re: bulk spawn [Re: ohmatic]
    #3946262 - 03/20/05 10:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

One recommendations, find some rye. I've tried millet and hard winter wheat. They don't work as well. I don't know why, but rye works the best. The rest of them have trouble with bacterial blooms. Also, pressure cook the hell out of the bag. Three to four hours will do.


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: Blue Helix]
    #3946313 - 03/20/05 10:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

wow must say ppl are much more peaceful and helpful here then such site like *coughs* over grow * coughs* when some one is in need i must say it is all much appreciated


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3946338 - 03/20/05 10:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

oh and one more quick question would it be ok to use my jar to spawn a larger straw dung mix and then when that is colonized to spawn a even larger straw dung mix then fruit ? would ther be any complications


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3946706 - 03/20/05 11:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There could be complications because each expansion of mycelium is a contamination risk. This is especially true once you've started into the dung/straw. I don't know how many mushrooms you are trying to grow, but a couple large spawn bags can spawn out at least twenty square feet in a 6" deep straw/dung bed (probably more since you only need about 2 cups spawn per square foot). If you are a novice cultivator, you'll get 1 pound fresh per square foot. If you are good, you might get 3 or 4 (maybe even more). Let's say you get 1 pound per square foot. That's 20 pounds fresh. That's about 2 pounds dry. That's about 260 eighths, or doses. I mean how big of party are you having, dude? You're not shooting for bubba up the ass are you? If I were you, I'd keep it spawn bag to bed and forget the second expansion.


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: Blue Helix]
    #3947217 - 03/21/05 03:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well here in canada its not illegal to cultivate its becoems illegal after ther dried out so if some one was doing a sicince project on large scale mushroom growing and being a perfect law abideing citizen and didnt let them dry out they would have no worries from the leo


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3947229 - 03/21/05 03:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

oh and btw your saying pre sterilized straw substrate to be used for a second spawning is ok jus tthers a risk of contam ? so if im careful i could do it just see all this spawn bag talk is confuseing the hell out of me if some one was willing to chat with me about my "science experiment" lol and help get setup pm me i could explain the full setup


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3947267 - 03/21/05 03:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

mxer_kx, I was just giving you a hard time. Seriously, though, you can grow a mountain of mushrooms from one or two spawn bags, so I don't think going straw to straw is worth the risk. If you want a hundreds of pounds of mushrooms--no mater what type--I'd just make more spawn rather than try to spawn a bulk substrate with a colonized bulk substrate. You'll have enough trouble on your hands keeping up with all that bed surface without worrying about risky ways of mycelium expansion.

Rye grain spawn should be applied at 2 cups or more per square foot in a deep bed (6"+). The more spawn you apply per square foot, the faster the colonization, the less chance of trouble, and the more nutrients for flushes. Since spawn is so easy to make, I like to use tons in my own trays.

Anyway, I think this discussion isn't too advanced anymore, so we'd best continue through PMs if you have more questions. Take care.


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: Blue Helix]
    #3947334 - 03/21/05 03:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

for some reason it wont let me pm u and its pissing me off soooo.... heres my pm lol....

hey thanx for all the help of il try to explain the set up ,a room with 2 racks that have 4 3.5' x 8 ' x 6'' 20 10 cc syringes about 180 wide mouth quart jars and a 20 quart pressure cooker baysical how can i fill all the trays completely in the least amount of time with the most ease can u please help me out and i dont think i can get any more jars so gotta make with what is ther see why i wanna use the straw...any ideas?


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3947619 - 03/21/05 06:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)


Get several hundred pounds of WBS, 941 AA PC, 100 large filter patch spawn bags, impulse sealer, dump truck load of weathered h/poo, lots of black bus/boy trays, huge bale of peat moss, 4 cubic foot bag verm, some garden limestone powder, a PH tester.

That should keep you busy - for awhile.
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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3948246 - 03/21/05 12:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

First, you need to be doing agar techniques with liquid inoculation. Second, go to www.mycobag.com and get yourself 100 filter patch bags for $30. You can get some bags that hold about 20% more for twice the cost at Fungi Perfecti, but I don't really think it's worth the difference.

Now go to Ebay and get an 12" impulse sealer with a 2-3mms seal. That'll run you another $30 plus $10 shipping, but it is worth every penny.

Now I got a 22-quart Mirro myself, so I know your pressure cooker can hold two large spawn bags if you shove them against the walls. Be sure to separate them with lid bands so steam can get between them. Follow the teks around here but pressure cook for no less than 3 hours and be sure to turn down the heat so the weight is barely moving or hissing (you don't want to dry out as it'll melt the bags and destroy everything).

Use a drip or two of spore solution on about ten agar plates. Pick out the best one and use liquid inoculation techniques using a standard blender and a narrow-mouthed jar to blend up your colonized agar (pick the best). A single agar plate can easily inoculate four (a lot more really) spawn bags. Two large spawn bags can just spawn out the 28 square feet you are trying for, but I'd play it safe and make 4 bags.

I would use manure and straw for my bulk. You'll need a good metal trashcan and burner and propane bottle (about another $100) to pasteurize the straw.

Oh, and you have a humidity tent, right? You'll need to get yourself a decent humidifier and tent of course.

Although I have no personal experience doing anything that large, I can easily extrapolate up and know that 28 square feet of surface area isn't a big deal. A few spawn bags and a lot of time are all you need. It's going to cost you some money to get going, but I am sure you expected that.


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3948283 - 03/21/05 12:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, I see you said you have 180 wide-mouth quart jars. Each jar holds four cups of spawn. That will spawn out about 2 square feet. That means for the beds you mentioned, totaling 28 square feet, you need about 14 of them--let's double that to 28 to be safe. What the hell are you doing with 180 of them? I think you have a warped sense of how much spawn you need to spawn out these beds. It doesn't take much, even using double the amount mentioned in the mushroom texts I have (2 cups/square foot).


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: Blue Helix]
    #3948934 - 03/21/05 03:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

is ther any normal stores i could purchase these at instead of online rember im here in canada


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Re: bulk spawn [Re: mxer_kx]
    #3948948 - 03/21/05 03:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

and 28 jars x 8 trays 224 and isnt the more spawn the faster it colonizes ?


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