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OfflineSucellos
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how sick are we talking with contam cakes?
    #3940792 - 03/19/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So I had a cpuople of mycobags go bad at like 80% colonization. I fruited them in seperate casings from the rest of the good ones and they worked fine. I am wondering how sick this is gonna make me if I eat shrooms produced on the contamed cakes


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Sucellos]
    #3940798 - 03/19/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

ever seen mold grow inside a stomache?
eat it and take a xray...
well probably not that bad, but still - dont do it!
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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Sucellos]
    #3940803 - 03/19/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Trich and cobweb can be ingested without any harm, I don't know about any other contams. What contams in specific are you asking about?


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3940823 - 03/19/05 06:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I believe black mold spores can do harm if inhaled masswise. But mushrooms grown on a substrate with black mold on, I dont think that is the same thing. And not that harmfull, BUT that just my logic.
Anyone with expert opnions?


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3940853 - 03/19/05 06:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Great question I have some colonizing jars and have a similar question. One of them has some slight discoloration on the very bottom that alomst look greenish but is not really spreading or anything. Another had a tiny little spot that looked similar, btu seems to have been overtaken with white. Are these good to grow and eat?


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: RevMax]
    #3940858 - 03/19/05 06:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

They're fine RevMax. That's early trich, and it's safe to be ingested.


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Holydiver]
    #3940882 - 03/19/05 06:55 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

lol but besides that trich is a PAIN! :laugh:


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3940928 - 03/19/05 07:02 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i had a cased tub get bright green mold right in the center after the 3rd flush, so we scooped it out and hoped for the best so we could get the last small flush out of it. Well, some other spots popped up, but we caught them pretty quick and about 6 mushrooms grew in this time. Not knowing better, i figured since there wasnt any green on the shrooms it would be ok to ingest, especially since there was hardly any in the tub. Well, I ate them and so did 4 of my friends, i felt fine and had a great trip the whole night, but eventually, everyone else ended up throwing up hard core that night and got super naseuos. They werent sick the next day or anything, and these werent n00bs to tripping either.


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Sucellos]
    #3941029 - 03/19/05 07:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

IMHO that's the wrong question to ask. Spores are cheap and a better technique will result in sterile conditions. Of course it may be ok but is it work the risk? Like the saying goes, "Better safe than sorry."


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3941167 - 03/19/05 07:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I believe black mold spores can do harm if inhaled masswise. But mushrooms grown on a substrate with black mold on, I dont think that is the same thing.




black mold has killed a few, many more have been hospitalized, one of our venders was actualy in the ICU for a couple weeks because of black mold spores


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Sucellos]
    #3941191 - 03/19/05 08:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah ok, but the difference between inhaling a contamn or eating mushrooms grown on contammed substrate. I can imagine thats not the same.. ?


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3941585 - 03/19/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

A contam'ed shroom can do anything from make you sick to death.
Feed to someone you don't like and see what happens. gl


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Sucellos]
    #3941637 - 03/19/05 10:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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wondering how sick this is gonna make me if I eat shrooms produced on the contamed cakes




Do you really want to risk being ill while in the midst of an intense trip? Toss 'em. It's easy enough to grow more.


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: RevMax]
    #3941856 - 03/19/05 11:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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One of them has some slight discoloration on the very bottom that alomst look greenish but is not really spreading or anything.



Crack the cake open and see if it spread then???


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Hashface]
    #3942072 - 03/20/05 12:23 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Never sniff any kind of mold spores. There are no green contaminants of mushroom culture that will make you ill to eat unless you're allergic to penicillin, in which case don't eat any substrate that has blue circles on it. The mushrooms will be fine. If your fruits are contaminated with bacteria, they can give you food poisoning, so boiling would be in order. A ten minute boil will kill any live bacteria on your mushrooms. Potency loss will be ten percent or so. That's a small price to pay for not getting sick.


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #3942092 - 03/20/05 12:27 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

the green mold is what I i have. I don't plan on inhaling these spores. Just picking the shrooms that grew. It is in a small spot on the bottom of my cake.


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: Sucellos]
    #3942358 - 03/20/05 02:00 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I gave my best friend jeff a cake to fruit on his own and to eat the shroomies that came from it. he got some kind of contam on the growing shrooms. he ended up in the hospital with a dose of morphine and 2 IV bags to rehydrate him.

he was dehydrated from the explosive dia... diare..... shits!!! and vomiting that ensued. could have been alot worse.

moral of the story, chunk all contams PERIOD.


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: four20snakeman]
    #3942620 - 03/20/05 04:03 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I am wondering how sick this is gonna make me if I eat shrooms produced on the contamed cakes




You might not get sick at all.  But then again, it could potentially kill you.  So just keep that in mind. :wink:


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: KaptKid]
    #3942876 - 03/20/05 07:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So you are saying that contammed substrate = contammed mushroom? How does that work, I wanna know. And still not all contamms are dangerous for humans.


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Re: how sick are we talking with contam cakes? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3943349 - 03/20/05 10:55 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Of course not all contams are dangerous to us, but I know that I do not have the abilty to distinguish between a harmful contam and a non harmful one.

That's why I never keep all of my cakes in the same chamber. I have multiple chambers that way if i end up with a problem the ones in the other chambers will be fine and I can toss the contaminated ones.


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