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InvisibleHarry_Ballsonia
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Phyl]
    #393209 - 09/13/01 11:10 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

I'm simply pointing out that whoever carried out the attacks had a reason

Who cares what they're reason is. It's still not our fault that they have done this. No matter how much you want to blame the American people.

America is not an angel. Your foreign policies contribute to a lot of suffering for a lot of people

Wow, and this is coming from a person that lives in a country that has made many more people around the world suffer as a result of your (Not-so great Britian) elitest attitude. I agree that we haven't done everything perfectly but we have tried and done more for the world than any other country. Our foreign policies i admit should be changed. Changed to more of an isolationist country.

To you it may be black and white - the terrorists are the enemy

And you find them justifiable?

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OfflinePhyl
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Harry_Ballsonia]
    #393220 - 09/13/01 11:31 AM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Harry,

You're making so much more of my words than is intended. I'm not condoning the attacks, I'm not blaming the american people in the slightest and I'm not justifying the terrorists.

There ARE reasons why this attack happened. Whoever attacked America obviously believed very strongly that they were doing the right thing. If you are ever going to overcome the terrorists, you need to find out why they think like this and what their problems with America are.

By reducing to situation to 'black and white' or 'good vs evil', you are preventing any real progress by adopting a similar mindset to the terrorists. This is something that our country has learned through many years of continuous terrorist attack.

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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Phyl]
    #393407 - 09/13/01 03:43 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I for one, love my family and country too much to allow them to be threatened. If there is the need to extra men, I will gladly sign up to protect my family, my country and every citizen in it!


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InvisibleKid
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #393492 - 09/13/01 05:39 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

> Yeah but your a fucking dork. You'd probably get your ass kicked the first 30 sec.

You make stupid comments like this and still have the audacity to call people close-minded, and ignorant. Maybe I am a nerd, but that doesn't affect my life expectancy in war. A gun, or a mortal, or napalm, or a bomb will kick my ass just as quickly as it would kick ANY other human being's ass.

> i'm sure if your family was attacked, you'd change your tune

Previously I stated:
"Okay, if I was drafted, it really depends on what I was drafted for. I'd probably go to war. Unless, of course, I was drafted to carry out war upon my own city or something ridiculous."

Where does it say there that I wouldn't fight if my family were being attacked? Maybe you've never read any of my posts before, but the idea of a war kind of thrills me. And, BTW, my family is about the one thing that I would defend to the death.

> unless ofcourse you are a coward

Very good Innvertigo.





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OfflineOsama_Bin_Laden
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Americans will die in vain. [Re: Anonymous]
    #393523 - 09/13/01 06:24 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

If there is war war as you selfish Americans wish. You will suffer more on your homeland and in the battlefield. I am a veteran front line guerilla fighter. I fought off the Soviet invaders at the height of their power. You Americans with no experience on holy battlefields would be smitten by the rightious force of Allah and the judgement of my AK-47.

I didn't attack that wretched building. Richard Jewel was the main suspect in the Olymyic bombing. You make a scapegoat of my people and if we are attacked I shall once again lead my people on the battlefield and drive you out just as the russians were, bleeding and dieing all the way.

Rejoice for today we have bound SATAN and soon Palistine shall be free of the abomination of the west.


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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Kid]
    #393745 - 09/13/01 10:33 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

****You make stupid comments like this and still have the audacity to call people close-minded****

No it's more like confidence

****Maybe I am a nerd, but that doesn't affect my life expectancy in war. ****

There is no maybe...this my friend is a fact. You wouldn't last 30 sec because your own fellow canadians would probably shoot you in the back.

****but the idea of a war kind of thrills me. ****

Nerds do dream don't they

****Very good Innvertigo****

thanks

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OfflineMrKurtz
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #393801 - 09/13/01 11:35 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

eh, and your mister 6'5" 250 pounds of muscle with nerves of steel? no one is a "perfect soldier". but anyone can fight a war. i dont see what would make you a better soldier then Kid... maybe you have some practice at a shooting range, but i dont really think that has anything to do with the chaos of combat. If you are saying you wouldn't lose your nerves in your first attack... you know jack shit about war, and maybe try getting some info from people who actually lived through them and aren't afraid to tell the truth. Everyones got a killer inside them, part of our survival, its just left repressed and never used in the civilized world.



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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: MrKurtz]
    #393815 - 09/13/01 11:47 PM (19 years, 21 days ago)

ok i don't feel anyone has the right to say who wouldn't or would kick some arab ass, but the fact of the matter is that breast feedng is a sick parlor trick woven by the devil himself

first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: MrKurtz]
    #394070 - 09/14/01 08:01 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

well i'm not 6'-5" nor 250lbs...what is that supposed to mean?

****If you are saying you wouldn't lose your nerves in your first attack... you know jack shit about war****

well i was in Panama and the persian gulf war (8 years ARMY) so i can assure you i can handle myself. What do you know about war litlle man? Besides the little action figures you play with?


****maybe you have some practice at a shooting range, but i dont really think that has anything to do with the chaos of combat****

Well i do have practice at a range..the ARMY range. and It has everything to do with the "chaos" of war

****and maybe try getting some info from people who actually lived through them and aren't afraid to tell the truth. ****

well every war that has happened in the united states from before the first world war involved one of my family members: WW1, WW2, Korean, Vietnam etc. So maybe it is you that need this info you are dying for.

****Everyones got a killer inside them****

no they don't..some people are natural born pussies.

****its just left repressed and never used in the civilized world****

what are you a psychologist?...a bad one at that



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Offlineweezer
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #394170 - 09/14/01 11:58 AM (19 years, 21 days ago)

I would not have a problem serving. I just don't think right now we have anyone to fight. When we have singled out a clear enemy,of course I would serve.



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InvisibleHarry_Ballsonia
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Registered: 04/25/01
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: weezer]
    #394206 - 09/14/01 12:50 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

i don't know why we are talking draft when it's this early. I really hope there isn't one but if there was i'd do my american duty

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OfflineMrKurtz
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #394341 - 09/14/01 03:52 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

well, you cant compare the persian gulf war to any other war really.. there were about 500 americans killed? for a war, thats a joke.

"no they don't..some people are natural born pussies."

eh, and you know this for a fact? that goes completely against the need for survival, everyone has adrenaline after all. hell, ive watched high school kids you would probably call "pussies" almost beat 2 people to death over a football game. people are natural killers.. just like every other animal.

"well every war that has happened in the united states from before the first world war involved one of my family members: WW1, WW2, Korean, Vietnam etc. So maybe it is you that need this info you are dying for."

my great grandfather was a captain in the polish underground during WW2, my grandfather was a jewish boy running with his mother from nazis after seeing german soldiers kill his sister and father, my father served 6 years in the army and excelled in officer school, ive known a few vietnam veterans (they are all fucked up really bad), and i myself am entering NROTC (if i dont get drafted, heh). ive read a bunch of books on war, written by veterans, and from what ive learned, panama and the persian gulf dont even come close to a real war. fighting as an american in those wars is about as dangerous as getting in barfights every week.




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InvisibleKid
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #394399 - 09/14/01 04:58 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

> Well i do have practice at a range..the ARMY range. and It has everything to do with the "chaos" of war

Very good. I've had practice firing weapons on an army range as well. I'm such a good soldier.

You are such an idiot trying to say that it's a fact that I'd die in 30 seconds in a war. I can't believe the stupidity that pour out of you.



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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Kid]
    #394476 - 09/14/01 06:20 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

How's Canada's weather this time of year anyway?



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InvisibleKid
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #394504 - 09/14/01 06:56 PM (19 years, 20 days ago)

It's still pretty warm. It was nice clear skies today. A bit windy on campus. Cool enough for shorts. Gets pretty cold at nights though.



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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: MrKurtz]
    #395221 - 09/15/01 05:34 PM (19 years, 19 days ago)

****well, you cant compare the persian gulf war to any other war really.. *****

I agree. However i can explain how it is the closet and most accurate out of a majority of the people on this site. Rememeber what you saw on CNN during the war wasn't a 100% accurate

***eh, and you know this for a fact? ***

Maybe i shouldn't use the word pussies...maybe it should be more like passive people that refuse to fight..and they are out there. Some even join the army and are shocked when they are asked to fight...there were a couple in our company.

ive watched high school kids you would probably call "pussies" almost beat 2 people to death over a football game. people are natural killers.. just like every other animal.****

Not really there is a difference between fighting a war and a football game. We are not animals so your argument is irrelavent.

Why are you going into NROTC? It was funny when we'd get a ROTC guy in our company and he'd try to give orders to senior NCO's (I was an E-6). We would just laugh at him and put him in the back of the hum-v and tell him to be quiet and pay attention. Nice guy though i kind of liked him. Your families history sounds pretty interesting i haven't studied my family past the 1st WW

****and from what ive learned, panama and the persian gulf dont even come close to a real war. fighting as an american in those wars is about as dangerous as getting in barfights every week.****

From what you learned, you were mistaken. The persian gulf set the stage for how future wars will be fought. There is no honor in fighting hand-to-hand when you don't have to. But i cannot compare it with the Vietnam war..that was a different war.


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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Kid]
    #395227 - 09/15/01 05:38 PM (19 years, 19 days ago)

****Very good. I've had practice firing weapons on an army range as well. I'm such a good soldier****

There's more to it then firing a weapon. But i guess you knew that

****You are such an idiot trying to say that it's a fact that I'd die in 30 seconds in a war****

I would say i was a truthful idiot.

Kid you are a prime example of a human contradiction who thinks with no thought.

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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Innvertigo]
    #395305 - 09/15/01 07:24 PM (19 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Agliarondian]
    #395393 - 09/15/01 09:18 PM (19 years, 19 days ago)

well said. Just so people know you don't have to be in the military to be a "Good American" or even a strong person. All you have to do is do what it takes to defend your own country and not be like the cock roaches that scurry when the light comes on

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Re: Drafted!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #395521 - 09/16/01 01:13 AM (19 years, 19 days ago)

"From what you learned, you were mistaken. The persian gulf set the stage for how future wars will be fought. There is no honor in fighting hand-to-hand when you don't have to. But i cannot compare it with the Vietnam war..that was a different war."

well, yes it was a "futuristic war", but i didnt mention that almost 50% of american casualties were from friendly fire.. it was just a massacre. but hell, this will be most likely a massacre to, no one in there right mind will help them out like the USSR helped the viet cong.

"Not really there is a difference between fighting a war and a football game. We are not animals so your argument is irrelavent."

well, some people think we are animals, im one of them. if we cant agree on that point, then yes, my argument is irrelevant. i wasnt comparing a war to a football game.. just saying those people probably would have killed those 2 kids if it wasn't broken up.

"Why are you going into NROTC? It was funny when we'd get a ROTC guy in our company and he'd try to give orders to senior NCO's (I was an E-6). We would just laugh at him and put him in the back of the hum-v and tell him to be quiet and pay attention. Nice guy though i kind of liked him. Your families history sounds pretty interesting i haven't studied my family past the 1st WW"

well, the navy has a serious shortage of capable medics (or nurses, heh) and i think i should help out. also, it looks good on your resume. as for my families history, thanks, i do think its quite interesting also.

"Maybe i shouldn't use the word pussies...maybe it should be more like passive people that refuse to fight..and they are out there. Some even join the army and are shocked when they are asked to fight...there were a couple in our company. "

well, the wars you mentioned the soldiers werent in too much danger (of course they could have died much easier then any civilian, but still hardly any americans died). if you arent really afraid for your life, and dont want to fight, why would you?



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