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USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ???
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The USA is not more then a very big, rich and powerfull terrorists organisation ! (im talking about the governement)
Ok, they've done some good things in the past but what about the terror they spread on the whole world ???
What about the innocent who died in vietnam ?
What about hiroshima ? What about the irakis who are dying because of american economy sanctions ? What about all this innocent people ???

There is no target high enough, to allow so unhuman methods to reach it ! (sorry for my incorrect english ;) )

so what do you think ?

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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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ab0, my country has made mistakes in the past. No nation is blameless before the world. The nuclear attack of Japan, as devastating as it was, was necessary. It did what it was supposed to do, save lives. The dropping of those 2 fateful bombs from the Enola Gay brought about a quick end to world war two. It saved the lives over over an estimated at least two hundread thousand Soldiers for the Empire of Japan and a hundread thousan American boys. It saved gross lives if you consider how many would have died had it not happened. I believe using the a-bomb was justified.

Yes, a lot of innocent Iraqis starve to death every day because of our sanctions, and that's just as tragic as the deaths of our families in NYC and Washington DC. I can't with a good conciounce defend those bloody sanctions and I'de be willing to argue with anyone that does.

I also hate the war my nation sponsored against the innocent people in Serbia, siding with militant Muslims in an internal cival war.

But this does not justify the murder of our innocent people. May God rest their souls and bring comfort to their families.



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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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One imporatant thing about the iraquis; saddam has lots of cash, he would just rather spend it on guns and mansions for himself than on his own people. If he were to cooperate with the UN, we could all breath a little easier. It must be said though... its difficult to separate a nations military actions from the actions of terrorists. Just becuase the US drops its bombs from aircraft, rather than plant them on site, doesnt mean it isnt terrorism. But so what? if the attacks yesterday were a legitamte act of war, rather than terrorism, doesnt make them any more right! By the way, have you ever noticed that whenever the US is attacked the attackers are branded cowards but whenever the US attacks anyone else they call the US cowards? makes you think......



Instead of the dove as the symbol of peace we should have a pillow. Its got more feathers but doesnt have that nasty sharp beak......


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: madscientist]
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If Iraq would cooperate with the UN about all the restrictions the USA wants they would be invaded and conquored by Iran. Iran has a more extremist brand of Islam than Iraq and that would be a disaster if Iraq fell.



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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: madscientist]
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Sorry to be rude, but would please listen at your selves. I want restitution ash much as the next man, but it hasnt been 24hrs. Lets pay alittle respect to the deceased and their families. They need alot help in N.Y. and D.C. Its time to pull together lend a hand , give blood , then lets fuck these bastards up!!

"I search the face of life only to find death"- I AM


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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to abO: you need to go back and review your history books buddy. We (the US) followed the French into Viet Nam and we ( the American people) forced an end to the war by showing our opposition to it in the streets using means given to us by our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Do you know of any non-capilistic non- democratic government where this could happen? I don't think so. Also, the whole world would be speaking german or japanese right now if we chose to not pull its ass out of the fire in 1940-45. So study really hard and come back and reply when you get out of high school.


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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That was then, this is now. We learned from Vietnam. And the Earth learned from the A-bomb. You've judged us by two of our most troubled children.


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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The SATAN America is a terrorist nation. WAging undeclared war against many countries, independant nations. Vietnam, Iraq, Palistine, Serbia, etcetera. Acts of war which are commited with out a declaration of war are acts of state sponsored terrorism. Death to the snake, body and head.

Rejoice for today we have bound SATAN and soon Palistine shall be free of the abomination of the west.


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: Osama_Bin_Laden]
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We will dance on the heads of your fallen comrades! No wait, that's your line.

Edited by puscle on 09/12/01 11:07 AM.


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: Osama_Bin_Laden]
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your a sick fuck...i hope you lose someone in your family one day...quit being a smartass.

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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your nothing but a sock puppet...get a life

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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If America regards those that live outside it's boarders as inferior to those that live within, then it should come as no surprise that such events occur. Bush warbles on about 'democracy' but when people get excluded from it, they are driven to such actions. You may be living in the freest, most powerful nation on earth, but most people are not. Western democracy comes at a price,. its wealth and freedom by virtue of others' poverty and oppression. I am as shocked by the deaths yesterday as I am by the thousands who die each day in the world as a result of US overt and covert policies. Why should someones life be less valuable because they happpen to have been born in a certain part of the world? An major military response that kills civilians needs to be condemned as louldly as yesterdays disaster.



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Sloppy thinking [Re: mm.]
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mm. writes:

"Bush warbles on about 'democracy' but when people get excluded from it, they are driven to such actions."

WHO is excluding them from democracy? Certainly not the U.S. government. If the U.S. government had its way, EVERY nation on the planet would adopt its form of government.

Are you saying that if these people were able to experience democracy, they would not perform such actions? That would indicate that you believe democracy is a better system than the ones under which they currently live. Yet the U.S. is criticized constantly for "forcing its culture" - democracy - on the rest of the world. It's a no-win situation isn't it? If they support others in their quest for democracy, they are accused of "imperialism". If they stand back and let things unfold, they are accused of "heartless indifference" and "isolationism". Which is it to be?

"Western democracy comes at a price, its wealth and freedom by virtue of others' poverty and oppression."

This is absolute nonsense. It is not necessary for other nations to be run by oppressive regimes in order for the Western nations to flourish. Western nations need nothing from Russia or China or Cambodia or Cuba or Afghanistan. If those nations were to vanish tomorrow, or if they had never existed in the first place, it would make very little, if any, impact on the lives of those in the free world. Oh, except the tax burden would be less, since there would be less foreign aid spent.

The production of wealth is not a zero-sum game. It is sheer sloppy thinking and mindless repetition of propagandist rhetoric to assert that the only way to flourish is to steal from others.

pinky





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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: mm.]
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if they have to resort to this then they are inferior and should be treated like mere rodants

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: Phred]
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In reply to:


Are you saying that if these people were able to experience democracy, they would not perform such actions?



I am saying that if the US listened to these people and took account of their views, instead of just backing the racist Israeli government no matter what, then people would not need to use such extreme measures.

In reply to:


It is not necessary for other nations to be run by oppressive regimes in order for the Western nations to flourish. Western nations need nothing from Russia or China or Cambodia or Cuba or Afghanistan. If those nations were to vanish tomorrow, or if they had never existed in the first place, it would make very little, if any, impact on the lives of those in the free world. Oh, except the tax burden would be less, since there would be less foreign aid spent.



If all poverty and repression vanished tommorow, the US would economy would collapse.



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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: mm.]
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****If all poverty and repression vanished tommorow, the US would economy would collapse. ****

If there wasn't a United States there would be more famine....think about it

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: mm.]
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Seems like a good article but i don't have the time to read it all now, i will later

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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: mm.]
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mm. writes:

"If all poverty and repression vanished tommorow, the US would economy would collapse. "

I am sure that many would be interested in hearing ANY kind of argument that lends support to such an astounding claim. Please elaborate.

Oh, and thank you for clarifying your first post. How stupid of me not to realize that when you say:

"Bush warbles on about 'democracy' but when people get excluded from it, they are driven to such actions."

you really meant:

"If the US listened to these people and took account of their views, instead of just backing the racist Israeli government no matter what, then people would not need to use such extreme measures."

I really must improve my reading skills! I completely misinterpreted your statement, didn't I? So sorry.

pinky



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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: Phred]
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Exclusion from democracy, to me at least, means not having a say in how you are governed. In these times, descions are made by unelected bodies that effectively form a fledgeling world government, such as the World Bank and NATO. These descions lead to misery in the lives of many people in the world. However theese people have no democratic redress, because democracy doesnt go higher than national government. It doesnt mattter if someone is living in a democractic country or a dictatorship - there is no democracy at the highest level. NATO leaders are elected from only a few countries - but their actions are not so restricted. That is why Bush claiming to be democratic is rediculous wheras if there was true democracy, people would have their views heard and not resort to such actions.


Re: If all poverty and repression vanished tommorow, the US would economy would collapse.

Imagine if all American multinationals who use cheap labour abroad had to increase their wages. To eliminate poverty they would have to increase them by many times their current value in alot of countries. Some of the largest Transnational corporations would become unprofitable and unsustainable.

Edited by mm. on 09/13/01 03:20 PM.



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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: mm.]
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Hey loser, get a history lesson. The Palestinians chose to leave Isreal when it was gonna be attacked by all the surrounding Nations. Isreal WON the war!!!! The Palestinians that chose to stay in Isreal, live with complete freedom as any other citizen of Isreal, JEW or NOT. They chose to leave. Now this so called RACIST Isreal is blamed!!! Those people who left live in tents, to this day. Why because the assholes who convinced them to leave, don't give a shit about them. If you are stating that the only solution is for all the JEWS to leave Isreal, which is the counter argument by the surrounding countries, GOOD LUCK. There is noone there who can remove them, by force!!!!! So fuck you you JEW hatter. The Isreal's have bent over and taken it in the ass over and over, making concessions to the surrounding countries and people's, trying to obtain peace. But they don't want peace, they want the absolute removal of the JEWS.
Who is racist here?
I find it disgusting that you can call Jews racist. I'm jewish and I am not racist. I don't even really follow any religion, organized, but I would be lumped with them anyway because of my birth into a jewish family. So Fuck you you racist.
Isreal is the USA only true ally in the region, they do not harbor terrorists. They do not kill without provocation.
What happened in the USA happens all the time in ISREAL, the only people to blame are the dead assholes who killed all the innocent people, while taking there own lives. Which by the way is against there own religous beliefs. They go to hell when the commit suicide.
I don't blame any religous faction for the events that are taking place. Every group of people have it's good and it's bad. Good is FREE WILL. Bad is enforcing your free will on others by FORCE. If you can't tell the difference, you are fucked in the head.
The united states gives financial aid to countries, if you want it, it comes with a price. We don't starve other countries, they starve themselves. CIVIL WAR. If you want freedom in a dictatorship, you have to overthrow it, and replace it with DEMOCRACY. Even RUSSIA see's that now!!! If you don't like the price of our AID, don't take it.
Um, didn't Iraq invade it's neighbor. Wasn't the intervention, a Global response, not just a USA response.
I too hate the shit out of alot of our policies here in the USA, but Vietnam was in a civil war before we got there. It may have been wrong to be there. But for the most part, we weren't killing people without guns. We weren't commiting acts of terrorism. The Vietnamise knew we were there, knew we had guns, and were fighting back. The people in the WTC were just trying to go to work!!! These assholes, without warning killed them. How you can justify that is out of my realm of thinking.
People are Dead. People who have no control over the lives of people living in there own countries. We are not in there country, we do not govern them. They govern themselves, and blame the world for there problems.
All of the conversations going on here are disgusting, at best. A bunch of finger pointers. You did this, you did that. We didn't do shit. Those people are free to do as they want. If they don't like us don't live like us. Don't ask for money, don't do shit. If it weren't for the USA. ISREAL would have eliminated all these assholes long a go, the USA is holding a leash, that is wrapped around those JEWS neck. If they let it go, well..... history will repeat itself. And all those countries will be fucked once again. They took them once, they can take them again.
How can you support TERRORISM?


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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: ]
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well said. It's too bad that those on this site that claim to be intellectuals and non-personal are the exact people who are complete and utter morons that base all thier opinions on emotions and blather from asshole lobby groups.

I'll say this one more time:

If you dislike the US that bad don't ask for favors or help when this type of thing happens to you or get the fuck out of MY country!!!!!

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: Innvertigo]
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Invertigo - the fact that you hope that someone else loses a family member says more than i could say about you...
And the views of some of those in these posts site regarding the palestinians are so blatantly biased that they just have to written by an Israeli...
Israel is the only true ally of america in the region because they are the only country that are being armed and bankrolled by America in the region.
I mean, actually being able to look at the Arab-Israeli conflict from an unbiased perspective either way would be refreshing.
The Palestinians werent technically there first, so I can see that point, but when one side of a conflict cant afford guns, and another has rockets, it seem just a little unfair...
Also, in both the military conflicts arising in the Middle East between the Arab states and Israel, Israel was the chief aggresser and had to be held back by the world communities. The Soviets even suggesting that they could not guarantee Israel's continued existence if they continued there aggression towards Egypt and Syria - who they heavily outarmed...



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Edited by bluemeanie on 09/13/01 09:32 PM.



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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: Zen Peddler]
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you have no fucking clue do you? You have got to be one of the most uninformed person on this site. Go read a book and quite bothering us with your dribble. You whine like a little bitch..kinda like a mosquito flying around my head..thoogh the mosquito knows when to fly away

****the fact that you hope that someone else loses a family member says more than i could say about you****

Yeah it tells you that i see no shame in busting peoples skulls through war....eye for an eye my man.

Palestinians are fucking cowards that bring a friggin rock to a gun fight

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Sloppy thinking *DELETED* [Re: Innvertigo]
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(deleted in the interests of not being a hypocrite)

Edited by Pynchon on 09/14/01 10:30 AM.


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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: Pynchon]
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prick? me? nooo do ya think?

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth ??? [Re: ab0]
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Two wrongs don't make a right. abu or whatever


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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Bluemeanie
Do a search on the YOM KIPPUR WARS? Then tell me about BIASED statements. ISREAL WAS INVADED BY THE SURROUNDING COUNTRIES!!!!! YUM KIPPUR is the holiest day in the jewish religion. All the surrounding nations decided to attack them, and ISREAL one the war. Yes they did so with AMERICAN weapons, and thank god they had them. If they did not, that region would be far worse then it is now, and our soil would have been attacked long ago!!!
There are peaceful palestinians living and working inside Isreal with all the freedoms granted to the rest of it's citizens!!!!

Edited by Teonan on 09/14/01 01:05 PM.


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth [Re: cyclone]
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TO CYCLONE:
OUT OF TOPIC....about 1940-1945!!!!
Don't you think that there were some other countries during the WW II involved in that war????
Do you think there were no 50,000,000 of dead Russians, Polish, Serbian, French and so on, who died for your freedom ????? Do you know that American troops came to Europe only in 1943, after Germany got fucked in Stalingrad???? Yes, US helped a lot to finish tis war, but America did not WIN it !!!! Whole world was fighting Hitler, in different forms, since september, 1939. Germans and russians have been fucked twice: by their war enemies and their psycho leaders....but at the end we see an american soldier giving away chocolate to the kids, which were leborated by US Army.....screw this shit man!!! You need to go back and review your history books too, and try not to read school material, which was written during the cold war.
Sorry for beeing rude.
Peace, J.


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Edited by Johan Shultz on 09/14/01 03:57 PM.

Edited by Johan Shultz on 09/14/01 03:59 PM.

Edited by Johan Shultz on 09/14/01 04:00 PM.



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Re: Sloppy thinking [Re: ]
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Teonan-
In reply to:


I find it disgusting that you can call Jews racist. Im Jewish and Im not racist"


I think you will find I actually said '"racist Isaeli government."

You seem to have taken what I said, and in your own mind, twisted it into the sort of bigoted generalisations that a lot of people around here are making at the moment.

Here are a couple of examples

Racist generalisation - Afghans are terrorists
Statement of fact - A grop of people who live in Afghanistan are terrorists.
Racist generalisation - Jews are racist
Sttatement of fact.- The Israeli government is racist

While you may not agree that my facts are correct, I hope you can see the difference.

I beleive the behaviour of the Israeli state towards the palestinian people is rascist because the State are punishing the entire Palestinian population for the terroist actions of a few. Those terrorist actions are as a direct result of the racist behaviour...hence a circle that is hard to break. If they treated the innocent people with some dignity, and stopped claiming they had inaliable land rights due to their religion, then maybe an agreement would be closer.

Edited by mm. on 09/14/01 05:39 PM.



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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth [Re: Johan Shultz]
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Yes, 50 million dead and probably 50 million more if we had not gotten involved. We came in , beat the enemy, and rebuilt your countries for you and this is the thanks we get.


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Re: USA = biggest terrorists organisation on earth [Re: cyclone]
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Time for the new topic.

afterall you are all good people sometimes
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