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OfflineSteel27Odin
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Let Me Get This Casing Straight
    #3920147 - 03/15/05 10:09 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well I have asked stupid questions in the past...I hope this is not one of them. Here it goes:

"Regarding the top layer of a casing, should it show signs of mycelium growth?How much is to much? How do you prevent this?"

Right now I have a CAMBO case that went from Rhizomorphic growth to fluffy....the top layer of the case is 70% covered.


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3920164 - 03/15/05 10:21 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Read the bottom of my signature.

You don't need to see any mycelium on the top of your casing layer before initiating fruiting.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3920198 - 03/15/05 10:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This leads to overlay...but i will still get a flush right?


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3920202 - 03/15/05 10:38 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Why are you scared of initiating pinning without seeing mycelium on the surface?


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3920251 - 03/15/05 11:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I incubate for 2 days...patch as needed....but then mycelium attacks the top layer during pinning....I have also seen many pictures on this site of casings with the top layer of covered with mycelium with mushies growing on it...leads to confusion....


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3920318 - 03/15/05 11:28 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I will be doing my first casing soon, and i too have seen some confusion. But basically, the great growers of this board agree, you dont need to see anything on the top layer in order to intiate fruiting.

Thats what im going to do. Im going to put my casing in the incubating chamber for a couple of days to let it re colonize, then put in the fruiting chamber the second i see any white on my top layer.

I think that if you see white on top, you should patch and start to fruit. Just a newbies two cents, but i will be corrected and bitch slapped if im way off base.


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3920564 - 03/15/05 12:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Steel27Odin said:
I incubate for 2 days...patch as needed....but then mycelium attacks the top layer during pinning....I have also seen many pictures on this site of casings with the top layer of covered with mycelium with mushies growing on it...leads to confusion....




It should not lead to confustion if you read it carfully.

1) When you fruit there should be no, or almost no, visable mycelium on the surface, it should be just below

2) By the time the casing has mushrooms growing on it it should be getting well and evenly covered.

The casing below had NO visable mycelium on it when I fruited it:



But NOW it does and NOW its ready to pin:





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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3921035 - 03/15/05 02:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well my top layer of casing has huge bunches of (like a 1/4 of an inch in height)rhizomorphic mycelium i huge clumps everywere. Anybody ever experience this with their top casing layer....will this effect the yield of fruits?


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3921046 - 03/15/05 02:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You should put a very thin layer of casing over all those spots, just enough so you can see it, and put it directly into the fruiting chamber.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3921049 - 03/15/05 03:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Its already in my fruiting chamber...been there for 6 days.


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3921074 - 03/15/05 03:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Any realtion to high rhizomorphic growth on top casing layer to pinning, and yields of fruits?


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3921202 - 03/15/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Not really. It can cause problems though, thats the stuff that gets matted down into overlay. Then it gets hardened and cant absorb water, and thats when you have problems. You probably have to high humidity. When the casing looks like my top pic, the humidity should be at 85% and no misting until pic two. Misting and 99% humidity will promote vegatative growth, and as long as thats happening, it wont pin.


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3922036 - 03/15/05 07:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

scatmanrav said:
Quote:

Steel27Odin said:
I incubate for 2 days...patch as needed....but then mycelium attacks the top layer during pinning....I have also seen many pictures on this site of casings with the top layer of covered with mycelium with mushies growing on it...leads to confusion....




It should not lead to confustion if you read it carfully.

1) When you fruit there should be no, or almost no, visable mycelium on the surface, it should be just below

2) By the time the casing has mushrooms growing on it it should be getting well and evenly covered.

The casing below had NO visable mycelium on it when I fruited it:



But NOW it does and NOW its ready to pin:








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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: hyphae]
    #3924955 - 03/16/05 12:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well, my top layer of this casing is almost 100% covered in thick rhizomophic growth.....half of which has turned fuzzy. I know that I am full steam ahead towards overlay. How should I take care of the casing from this point on? (honestly I dint know what to do)


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3924961 - 03/16/05 12:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You need to mix 2 cups verm, with 1 1/4 cup water, sterilize it. And use that to make a thin layer over all of the thickest mycelium paches.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3925001 - 03/16/05 12:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the info....You guys are truely kind :thumbup:


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3925004 - 03/16/05 12:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Dont patch if you see primordia (if your not sure, patch really really lightly)...but you can try making up some sterile casing mix that you use (or sterile verm if you want to be lazy) and patching lightly over the really fuzzy stuff.

Dont do to much to the casing though...wait it out and see how the flush ends up..then if its really bad you can LIGHTLY scratch and patch after the first flush...scratching is a last resort though and there you can really do more harm then good (destorying set primorida and pins, wasting alot of energy).


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
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- [Re: Steel27Odin]
    #3925007 - 03/16/05 12:46 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: ShroomGuy86]
    #3925026 - 03/16/05 12:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What really cleared casing up for me is what Anno said, I put it in my sig.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Let Me Get This Casing Straight [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3925036 - 03/16/05 12:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Leave in the fridge (covered well I hope) for 12 hours..the cold shock will do it good... Steel may want to try that as well..


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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