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Adding to bulk straw
    #3919699 - 03/15/05 05:58 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I was wondering what you could add to wheat straw to provide nutrients and such, I have heard worm casting, but I was thinking a little more along the lines of some birdseed, or rice flour, maybe rye, or a combo of all ( all sterilized accordingly and added in a glove-box to prevent contamination etc.) Has anyone tried this with success, or is it impossible, just any info. I was considering Inoculation with birdseed and maybe some liquid mycelium. (also I know dung and straw are a good mix, but I would like to stay away from poo)


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3919730 - 03/15/05 06:42 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I like to add a little spawnmate to my straw.


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: Spores_101]
    #3919850 - 03/15/05 07:39 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've been foolin around with this and what I've found is with straw you need more nutes-not water retention. And so far results have been descent with a significant amount of colonized WBS or rye berries but nothing compared to poo. Adding grains etc. (WBS, rye, BRF) before colonizing won't do you a hell of alot of good IME. Either you end up adding too little to make a real signifigant difference or too much and your contamination rate goes through the roof.


I still resort to just spawning WBS to straw but I use as much colonized spawn as possible to increase yeilds. I add a little Graim mixture to add nutes but in reality it doesn't make a huge diference. Only helpd. I've yet to find a good useable substitute for the poo/straw mix. Compost is supposed to be awesome too but thats a whole different ballpark that I've yet to have the pleasure.


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3920157 - 03/15/05 10:15 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Dont add uncolonized grains...just use more spawn.. use 20-25% WBS/rye when you spawn. Mising in some worm castings would help too..

Stay away from the liquid mycelium with this (unless you use it for the grains)


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: Spores_101]
    #3920786 - 03/15/05 01:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Where the hell can I get some of this spawnmate? I been looking for this stuff for a while.


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921222 - 03/15/05 03:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Spawn-Mate? what is that and where can I get it?

Also www.mushroommagic.com has this stuff "McMagic Fast Food for Mushrooms" which is some kind of straw additive "McMagic is a high-protein food source for mushrooms grown on wheat straw. While pasteurized wheat straw is a convenient growing medium for many mushrooms, it lacks the protein that healthy mushrooms need." has anyone heard of this or tried it, is it BS?

They also have a product "Liquid Culture Inoculum Powder" which according to them "This is a great alternative to growing out spores on agar and transferring it to rye grain and then transferring the rye grain to the wheat straw. Enough for about a gallon, with 3 bio-filters and complete instructions." "Make up one-half quart of Liquid Culture Inoculum by mixing the powder with 2 cups of distilled water. Pour it into a one-quart mason jar, screw on the lid and biofilter. Sterilize it in a big pot or pressure cooker. Let it cool.Inoculate it with your spores, or use a spore syringe. Shake twice daily Let the spores grow out into thick strands of mycelium. Pour it onto the wheatstraw directly and save time and steps." from what I've heard on the forums its impossible to inoculate wheat straw with liquid mycelium so is this a scam or not? Has anyone used these products?


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921261 - 03/15/05 04:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

ive inoculated straw/poo with liquid mycelium
and it worked


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3921266 - 03/15/05 04:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ive inoculated straw with liquid mycelium and it also worked for me.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3921306 - 03/15/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

the deal with liquid myc is when you pour it on, you will not have evenly
dis
tributed inoculation points as with grains, regardless if you mix it properly
or not, you wont score tthe same ammount of inoc points.

it may work, but grains are the number one choice and have been so for centuries.

talking the liquid inoc thing mentioned at that page above,
it sounds like some dextrose powder or malt power that basically just supplies
food for spores to germinate and grow to mycelium.

as it is said in the instructions, your supposed to mix it and sterilize it
but take my word that you can just simmer some diced potatoe in water
for 20 mins, strain and use that water,
and youll get the same as with the mix offered in the shop.

u may even consider strirring in very little honey to provide additions nutes,
but this is OPTIONAL and you have to watch for caramelisation with the hoeny,
so dont do it if you dont know how to do it proper.

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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ohmatic]
    #3921317 - 03/15/05 04:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

And everything ohm just says goes! When I di it, I did it in jars, and shot it all around (3cc's) and bags the same way..no bin and pouring it on...You could do it even enough though...I'd be worried about contams doing it that way though..


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921452 - 03/15/05 04:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Cool, knew that would work. Why did you say not to do so, if i understood correct?


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921471 - 03/15/05 04:54 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I was planning to use ShroomGod's Straw Tek, but mixing in some worm casting, I was planning to use some liquid Inoculate or Karo to colonize some WBS in pint jars then using those to spawn the straw. Then I figured I throw some of the liquid Mycelium from the Karo or whatever into the straw along with the colonized WBS, a little over kill probably but I like to be thorough. I was planning on using a fast colonizing strain like Cambodians or Brazilians to help beat con-tams and I will be using a cool mist to keep up the air exchange in the grow tub and a large hepa filter to keep the air in the room clean.


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3921480 - 03/15/05 04:56 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomFriend said:
Cool, knew that would work. Why did you say not to do so, if i understood correct?




ofcoz liquid will work but using grains simply gives you more and more
evenly distributed inoculation points - therefor youll get it colonised
quicker --> less chance for contams to score b4 full colonisation of the substrate :laugh:
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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921499 - 03/15/05 05:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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ryanfish1329 said:
I was planning to use ShroomGod's Straw Tek, but mixing in some worm casting, I was planning to use some liquid Inoculate or Karo to colonize some WBS in pint jars then using those to spawn the straw. Then I figured I throw some of the liquid Mycelium from the Karo or whatever into the straw along with the colonized WBS, a little over kill probably but I like to be thorough. I was planning on using a fast colonizing strain like Cambodians or Brazilians to help beat con-tams and I will be using a cool mist to keep up the air exchange in the grow tub and a large hepa filter to keep the air in the room clean.




soungs good but id stick to soley using the grain spawn for that project
as with liquid mycelium you dont really know what is actually growing.

if u mess up getting a contam to grow along with your spores and you fail to recognise that,
and that is very likely to happen (can really be tough),
u introduce a contam vector.

if ur extra paranoid concerning contams, hehe and thats a good thing in this hobby,
you can also inject some ccs of diluted h2o2 (0.3%) into your spawn jars
and shake them up to get the peroxide to 'cover' your grains,
again kills contams such as spores.

thats also superhandy when doing openair g2g,
just 'peroxide' both spawn jar and 'to be spawned' jars and do openair,
had great success numerous times.

but thats just overkill .. ohm-tional lol,
read about that in mycofiles neglect tek grow i think, the h2o2 thing.


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Edited by ohmatic (03/15/05 05:02 PM)


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921527 - 03/15/05 05:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This is going to be my first bulk grow so I want to do it right the first time. I figured that if I Inoculated a bunch of Karo first then I could colonize a lot more WBS which would be more spawn to put in the straw, like 3 or 4 jars of colonized BS per tub of straw maybe more. I wondered what else I could add to the straw to make sure there are plenty of nutes and such in my straw so I will have plenty of potent shrooms in my belly later on.


Edited by ryanfish1329 (03/15/05 05:38 PM)


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921552 - 03/15/05 05:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

you say ofcourse, but ive been asking around bout it before I xperimented a few months ago.
ANd at that time no positive reactions at all.
The only one was Agar, who was postivi bout the straw.poo.

Anyway your explanation why not to use it makes sense...

Was that what you meant scatman?


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ohmatic]
    #3921601 - 03/15/05 05:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

so i put the peroxide in before the spores? wont it kill the spores that i want to grow?


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Re: Adding to bulk straw [Re: ryanfish1329]
    #3921814 - 03/15/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well the way I did it, sterilizing in bags or jars..is a pain in the ass. Its much easier to do in this:


On top of a hot plate.

I would not just put a bunch of straw in a bin and pour a liquid culture all over it simply because I think the contam risk would increase, colonization speed for the straw would be slower (less mycelium mixed in with few inoculation points), and spawn helps to add nutes to the casing. Its just way easier to knock up 2 jars with a liquid culture, done in a week and grain to grain to 4 dozen jars which would be done in a week again and you got enough spawn for a dozen nice sized bulks... Or make up huge patches of liquid culture, done in the same time, pour it all over, screw up your water content, possible contams ect...just doesnt seem resonable to do.

The only reason I did it before was because I was told a) Straw wouldnt fruit mushrooms after being sterilized and b) You cant do straw in a jar because you cant knock it up with a syringe, including liquid culture.


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
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