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Is this overlay? *pics*
    #3917716 - 03/14/05 09:58 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

Im fruiting this tray right now and I was wondering if this is overlay? Can anyone tell me the true definition for overlay, I couldnt find it I found how to prevent it but nothing on what it actually is, there are several pins allready so its a little late to patch for this flush but none of the mycelium is matted down will I still get a decent flush if this is overlay?




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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: djsage420]
    #3917774 - 03/14/05 10:09 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

wtf heres the close up


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: djsage420]
    #3917832 - 03/14/05 10:18 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

It's borderline, you let that casing layer over colonize majorly.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: Holydiver]
    #3917937 - 03/14/05 10:36 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

Damn this casing was only incubating for 3 days! the casing layer is 3/4 in thick! will this effect my flush or will I still have a decent one?


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: djsage420]
    #3917984 - 03/14/05 10:40 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

no, I just had one overlay and it's still fruiting, but I'm yet to see how much total. It will still yeild but from what I've heard, it acts more like a big cake than a casing.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: Clozedeyez20]
    #3918105 - 03/14/05 10:55 PM (12 years, 12 days ago)

I'm no longer incubating for 3 days...I just had the same thing happen to me. 2 days seems to work out good so far.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: djsage420]
    #3919906 - 03/15/05 08:15 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Here a cold shock would have been beneficial in slowing the vegetative growth. You guys need to initiate when the myc first shows on the surface, this usually indicates the myc is just below the surface and is when you want to to put it into the fruiting chamber. GL


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: hyphae]
    #3920170 - 03/15/05 10:22 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

That casing is not to bad. A little over colonized, but the important thing is, its pinning right now. If you had just birthed that, you'd have alot more problems.

Try not misting so much and keeping the humidity lower once the casing is fully colonized to the point where you want it to pin. Misting to much and keeping humidity over 95% will cause vagatative growth to keep going and pinning starts later..


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: hyphae]
    #3920191 - 03/15/05 10:34 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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Here a cold shock would have been beneficial in slowing the vegetative growth. You guys need to initiate when the myc first shows on the surface, this usually indicates the myc is just below the surface and is when you want to to put it into the fruiting chamber. GL





I put my casings in the fruiting chamber for one day per quarter inch of casing depth. I initiate pinning if I can see the myel or not.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3922138 - 03/15/05 07:46 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Might sound like a dumb question, but my casing looks like this and wont pin, should
I add anything on the top of it?

Thanks

If this is already answered in another thread sorry, please point me to the link

thanks


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: Holydiver]
    #3922251 - 03/15/05 08:15 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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Diver said:
It's borderline, you let that casing layer over colonize majorly.



Its borderline what? 95% of the casing is overlayed


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: tahoe]
    #3922281 - 03/15/05 08:23 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Just what I said. That isn't full blown overlay, nor is the casing in that bad of shape.

If you think it's 95% colonized, you need to look again, closer.

Thanks and drive through.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: Holydiver]
    #3922400 - 03/15/05 08:49 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

okay 96% colonized. Here is what a casing should look like. The blue circles the ports, red is button, and black is overlay. The mushrooms should push up through the casing.

Here is a casing that is severly overlayed.

Another that has pretty bad overlay, not as bad as the other one but still not desireable. Note side pinning from the clear tub.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: Holydiver]
    #3922416 - 03/15/05 08:53 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

I Agree with diver...

It's FULLY COLONIZED....But it's NOT MATTED DOWN...

So it can still fruit...But the casing layer isn't supply water anymore, so it's like...Kind of Overlay haha..
Gl, looks like a big cake =/

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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3922425 - 03/15/05 08:54 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Yea but did you notcied that the ones that you(tahoe) put up(pics), are Matted down Really bad and they have myc. piss all over them(the yellowish tinge)....

Damn,lol what were those suppose to be?


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3922434 - 03/15/05 08:58 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

so what's the science behind why overlay is bad... i'm still trying to understand what it is.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: pleco]
    #3922457 - 03/15/05 09:05 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

I'm still waiting on seeing those "fruits" from that sunflower seed project...They colonized...Yea, even instant rice colonizes, but that doesn't mean it fruits..(Unless you're penlight, but then you get like 106.6grams of Crap...:lol: )

Whatever, anyways...Yeah...Ask hyphea(sp?) , he's badass at explaining it...

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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3922467 - 03/15/05 09:08 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Overlay = Matted downness (look at this guys post/pic)

Overcolonized = Basically Overlay But a big difference, it can still fruit well, it just doesn't have a casing layer to take moisture from, b/c it colonized it lol..
Just my .02


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: hyphae]
    #3922495 - 03/15/05 09:13 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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You guys need to initiate when the myc first shows on the surface, this usually indicates the myc is just below the surface and is when you want to to put it into the fruiting chamber. GL




:thumbup:

You should initiate fruiting when the mycelium is just starting to break through the surface of the casing layer.

Then you still might get a little too much mycelium on top.

Like in this picture.


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Re: Is this overlay? *pics* [Re: pleco]
    #3922496 - 03/15/05 09:13 PM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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so what's the science behind why overlay is bad... i'm still trying to understand what it is.




When the casing layer is completely colonized and matted over, all the valleys, ridges and craters that support primodria formation no longer exist.  Moisture delivery through the casing layer is gone at this point also.  Basically, the casing layer has lost it's purpose.


Hope that helps. :cool:


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