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OfflineShroomfish
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I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time...
    #3890069 - 03/09/05 12:42 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

...most teks and reports i have read say you should pick fruits just before the veil breaks.  i have been growing for 9 months or so now and have had several successful batches.  it seems to me that if you allow the fruit to open naturally, it continues to grow for at least another day or so until the cap begins to curl upwards.

so why do people say you should pick before the veil breaks?  is there some kind of scientific evidence that shows it is more potent before it opens?  the only correlation i have found in trip strength is by pure volume; the more grams the stronger.  from my experience i think you should wait until the cap completely opens up to pick.

i know there will be plenty of debate about this  :grin: can't wait to hear what ya'll think.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: Shroomfish]
    #3890142 - 03/09/05 12:53 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

When ever i ask people to back up that mushrooms are potent before the veil breaks i never get any responses. I think everyone picks them early because everyone tells them to. I personally don't think they are more potent but i would like evidence to support or disprove it.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3890179 - 03/09/05 12:59 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

neither me or scatmanrav pick when the veil first breaks, it is more of a matter of personal preference than potency. however, this is only one school of thought on the subject, the other is the exact opposite. potency varys too much from shroom to shroom to get an accurate scientific measurement. thus this is a unending argument and all one can do is choose a side for themselves


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3890198 - 03/09/05 01:01 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Its not that they're more potent...it's just that apparently after the veil breaks psilocybin/psilocin production is reduced or halted and after that you're just wasting nutrients to grow a bigger shroom not more drug. And besides, after your veil completely opens its gonna puke spores all over the damn place which can inhibit future pin formation.  :wink:


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: atomic1]
    #3890218 - 03/09/05 01:03 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

atomic1 said:
Its not that they're more potent...it's just that apparently after the veil breaks psilocybin/psilocin production is reduced or halted and after that you're just wasting nutrients to grow a bigger shroom not more drug. And besides, after your veil completely opens its gonna puke spores all over the damn place which can inhibit future pin formation.  :wink:




^^^^^^^
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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: atomic1]
    #3890313 - 03/09/05 01:21 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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atomic1 said:
after the veil breaks psilocybin/psilocin production is reduced or halted



Does anyone have evidence to prove this? With as many people that believe this i would think there is a study or an article some where to prove it.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: penlight438094]
    #3890314 - 03/09/05 01:21 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Tell me....did i say something wrong? All i gave was info to the man's question as to why people pick as the veil breaks not my opinion to do it one way or the other. You said it yourself its only a matter of preference. The only advantage of letting them grow to full potential would be the added weight if you were selling them, but I know the people here only grow for personal use.


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    #3890368 - 03/09/05 01:35 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: atomic1]
    #3890377 - 03/09/05 01:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

atomic1 said:
Tell me....did i say something wrong? All i gave was info to the man's question as to why people pick as the veil breaks not my opinion to do it one way or the other. You said it yourself its only a matter of preference. The only advantage of letting them grow to full potential would be the added weight if you were selling them, but I know the people here only grow for personal use.




firstly as I said, to each his own, I wasn't flaming you, your post is exatly what the other school of though is


there is no proof that after the veil breaks psilocybin/psilocin production is reduced or halted and after that you're just wasting nutrients to grow a bigger shroom not more drug, if you have some we'd all like to see it. so there may be advantages other than more weight,

finally
The only advantage of letting them grow to full potential would be the added weight if you were selling them, but I know the people here only grow for personal use.

well I let them go till maturity and have for a while now, and I ain't no dealer, if you are implying I am, then f-off


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: bumper]
    #3890394 - 03/09/05 01:43 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The comparison of 2 different shrooms isn't the debate. Sure different shrooms are going to vary in drug content. It's the fact of whether or Not drug production is slowed or halted after the veil breaks in all shrooms in general.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: atomic1]
    #3890407 - 03/09/05 01:48 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

exatly

and it is my beleif that it does not, youre intitled to your own opinions, but there is no scientific evidence to back up either theory, this thread is a prime example of this argument, without hard facts it is just a matter of what side you beleive we could argue for days and get nowhere. It's simple.... pick when YOU (the grower) want, cause everyone is different


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: penlight438094]
    #3890410 - 03/09/05 01:48 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Alright bro, lets end this now. I ain't trying to start shit. Arguing on the internet is fucking dumb. It just seemed like you were labeling me as some dumb fuck in the "other school of thought" who bit on the myth. Cease fire.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: atomic1]
    #3890421 - 03/09/05 01:50 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

no, no, I just meant you were on the other side of the debate, neither side is right or wrong without science to back it up.

sry for the misunderstanding -peace


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: penlight438094]
    #3890457 - 03/09/05 01:59 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet, its nice to see there are still reasonable people around. One thing though, that thing about spores inhibiting future pin formation is straight out of "The Mushroom Cultivator" for what its worth. You get a rating.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: Shroomfish]
    #3892056 - 03/09/05 11:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

All.

BS.

Spores can feel free to do whatever they're doing to my flushes.



And anyone who feels theres a potency loss can feel free and compare any of my shrooms to closed caps and tell me if theres any difference. As of yet, no one has.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3892086 - 03/09/05 11:51 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Lmfao, Scat you da man!!

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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: atomic1]
    #3892645 - 03/09/05 02:18 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

atomic1 said:
Its not that they're more potent...it's just that apparently after the veil breaks psilocybin/psilocin production is reduced or halted and after that you're just wasting nutrients to grow a bigger shroom not more drug.




this would seem to make the most sense to me.  however, as all of you have pointed out, it seems there is no evidence to support any of this, which is really what i was wondering.  so until i see otherwise, i'm gonna let my little fungi spread their wings and look all pretty before i pick em.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: Shroomfish]
    #3892664 - 03/09/05 02:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well my foaf is growing right now about 7 different strains and he is going to personally do a test where he will pick two before the veil breaks and two after the veil breaks and do a test and see if there is any noticable difference.

Personally, I think that mushrooms are way more sexy when they have grown to their full size.


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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: bumper]
    #3892920 - 03/09/05 03:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Idea for a qualitative test to prove this theory one way or another:

One could grow a large batch of a cloned mushroom (to decrease genetic diversity between individual mushrooms as much as possible) and then pick half before the veil breaks, half afterwards.  After drying, correct to make sure the weights of each are the same and then do an extraction under identical conditions. 

If it was a sufficiently large batch any variability between individual mushrooms would be averaged out and hopefully there would be enough pure extract to make a qualitative comparison between the two.

Anyone care to carry out this experiment and put the debate to rest once and for all.  It would be a noble contribution to the ever-growing body of knowledge here.  Oh, and I would be happy to, er, analyze the results personally  :tongue2:

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Re: I'm a bit skeptical about the correct picking time... [Re: Shroomfish]
    #3892972 - 03/09/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

In my experience the more mature the mushroom, the more water is has. Fully mature ones dry up to about 8% or less weight, when aborts and closed cap mushies are 10-11%. So mature ones are slightly less potent fresh but are equally potent dry. But all these differences are so minute that these theories are only for discussion and not applicable.


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