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please ponder this.
    #3889641 - 03/08/05 11:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you have to trick someone into doing what is better for them, would that be wrong?


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #3889643 - 03/08/05 11:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.

Who are you to say what is better for the person in question?

Shouldn't the person be the one to decide what is best for them?


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3889654 - 03/08/05 11:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i guess i'm just a facist at heart then.


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #3889715 - 03/08/05 11:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

How would trickey be "better" than honesty....?  Who is ANYONE to judge what is better for another....?    And if it was actually better for them, would they not better understand and learn if you were to put in the efforts of helping them understand the errors in their ways....?    Selflessness is easy....  Just takes some practice, if you are wanting....

Intent....  Trickery = LIES....  :thumbdown: :shake:


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #3889719 - 03/08/05 11:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't that the vary nature of advertising though?


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    #3889723 - 03/08/05 11:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

so it would be quite comparable to rank tolitarian governments with advertising?


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #3889733 - 03/08/05 11:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Isn't that the vary nature of advertising though?




If you watch it or listen to it, yep....  Advertisement is not real life....  It is HollyWorld.... 

(tivo is wonderful for getting past that very crap)  :wink:


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #3889738 - 03/08/05 11:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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If you have to trick someone into doing what is better for them, would that be wrong?




could you give an example? :wink:


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #3889774 - 03/08/05 11:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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If you have to trick someone into doing what is better for them, would that be wrong?




Quote:

evilnick said:
Isn't that the vary nature of advertising though?




If this is your standpoint, who says anyone is getting tricked by an advertisement....?  Putting a lot of assumption into this....  As, are not the advertisements sponsors of a form of entertainment....?  And seemingly, most entertainment is "trickery" as well, but that does not mean it is tricking anyone, nor is it doing anything for the "better" of intentions.... 

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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3889942 - 03/09/05 12:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Shouldn't the person be the one to decide what is best for them?

What if it's your friend who has taken 20g of potent mushrooms and is trying to kill himself?

Or if they're trying to kill others?

I think there are times when deceipt might be in order.

Think: "When the white rabbit peaks, throw the radio in the tub, man!" "Okay..." *Throws grapefruit, runs out, locks door*


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Phluck]
    #3890073 - 03/09/05 12:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well, that was more acting out of sanity itself....  Perhaps there are certain special circumstances that warrent immediate override corrective actions....  That of the insane, when tripping out of one's gord, and of the sinister intentions, perhaps....?    There are prolly~ a few shades of gray area that can be indentified....  Any more that I am missing....(?)

(that was a wierd scene in the movie... :lol: )


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3890635 - 03/09/05 02:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

define trick? you dont have to lie to change someones mind


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: Phluck]
    #3891316 - 03/09/05 05:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Shouldn't the person be the one to decide what is best for them?

What if it's your friend who has taken 20g of potent mushrooms and is trying to kill himself?

Or if they're trying to kill others?

I think there are times when deceipt might be in order.

Think: "When the white rabbit peaks, throw the radio in the tub, man!" "Okay..." *Throws grapefruit, runs out, locks door*




i agree.

trickery would be tricking someone into doing something, namely something for the benefit of yourself and it being something the other person would normaly would never do if he knew the truth of the situation.

look at this phrase "hate hate.", is it wrong to hate hate? i think not, the first "hate" in that phrase means something else when you put it before the second "hate", giving a whole new meaning than if i were to tell someone to "hate", it's the same with deceipt, though i would'nt even call it deceipt once the intente behind becomes good, we don't have another word for the first hate in the sentence, the good kinda hate, nor do we have a word for the good kinda deceipt. (atleast, i don't think we do??)


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Re: please ponder this. [Re: JCoke]
    #3891476 - 03/09/05 07:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If a person was going to drink poison, would it be trickery to tell him its poison and not to drink it, no! But if that person knew it was poison and was going to drink it anyway, then maybe its best to tell him that you took a shit in it earlier  :shocked: :grin:


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