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Offlineegghead1
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True Future Leader
    #3887688 - 03/08/05 04:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Where will the 'true' future leaders of our country come from? Who in their right mind would enter and persevere, surviving in the bitter swamp of our cynical partisan political system long enough to emerge as a real candidate for high office in this country? How can we cultivate some form of enlightened leadership and true higher education that can help foment such leaders for the future? Who will learn to replace their "I and me" with a larger We, and authentically?

Can we ever have an uncorrupted president?


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: egghead1]
    #3888039 - 03/08/05 05:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:

Interesting topic. The simple answer imo; not going to happen under the current train of thought regarding political institutions.

Reasons:
1) people love to be mislead
2) people pretend they care, when push comes to shove, most just are complacent bitching about issues, rather then solving them.
3) us vs them political instituions are favored vs what makes sense; e.g. A: I'm red, B: I'm blue, A-B: no way in hell we can get along. The primary issue, is the differentation of multiple issues is the larger issue, not what they themselves can provide as a solution.
4) peoples mentality would suffer as a result of real politics (not propoganda oriented.)
5) people would be happy, and as a result most likely would find other issues to gripe at which would further make them wish for change (system presented is too dynamic, in other words, I believe people primarily wish to live in a state of stagnation... I can find no other reason why people don't attempt to change anything otherwise.)

Un-corrupted president is akin to having a jumbo a shrimp imo, it's an oxymoron that isn't representative of the matter it is attempting to portray.

Blindmen leading the blind... the only thing that they can see is profit and the cultivation thereof.


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: egghead1]
    #3888236 - 03/08/05 06:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you think that we need "A leader"? Isn't a republic about having a number of representatives all speaking the voice of the masses?


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: SoopaX]
    #3888358 - 03/08/05 06:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

In all honesty though, regarding future training of leaders (can you clarify in what capacity they are to lead first?)

I'd do an objective analysis of their traits;
1) reactions, perceptions, and foundations of their belief system and what are the roots of them
2) Ability to be tempted and the mechanisms of how they think in terms of temptations
3) They're ability to think objectively without using subjective qualification (For instance they're ability to think for the greater good without respect to their disposition in regards to the matter) E.G. I myself don't condone the homosexual lifestyle, but one must be able to distinguish between they're beliefs, and the rights of others to hold beliefs (respect of belief systems that aren't applicable to the one in question).
4) Opinion, and reasoning for opinion... the ability to have intellect, in respect to situations which may arise, and to have a sure way to achieve the end results of benefit to the people they are serving without respect to their desires.
5) They're integrity to be evaluated in most situations, watch over them from afar, create situations, and make the observer semi-aware of the fact that they are being watched, and allow them the ability to react upon their own inclination.
6) Ability to deviate from the typical spectrum of thought, and think "outside the box" as it were.
7) The ability to present solutions, and not be limited by typical obstacles; NO LIMITATIONS

(Generalized, indeed, but i'd need you to further establish what form of leadership the person in question would be subjected too; and what responsibilities would be placed under them before I could be any more specific then that.)


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


Edited by Psychoactive1984 (03/08/05 10:34 PM)


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: egghead1]
    #3888937 - 03/08/05 08:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

egghead1 said:
Who in their right mind would enter and persevere, surviving in the bitter swamp of our cynical partisan political system long enough to emerge as a real candidate for high office in this country?





It is a scientific fact,scum always rises to the top.


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3889429 - 03/08/05 09:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3891495 - 03/09/05 07:31 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, this is true,  :thumbup:  :grin:

But cant we also get the good people to rise to the top for a change, or is it too late.


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Edited by egghead1 (03/09/05 08:16 AM)


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: egghead1]
    #3892212 - 03/09/05 12:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Define what "the top" is.

Is it the presidency? I tend to view that as a figurehead status, as the president is mostly just that.

A good figurehead, is ... just a good figurehead. :lol:

I realize my comments may seem Anti-American, not the point, I'm an American to begin with... The issue is, that the "new America" as it were, is more akin to a totalitarian state with controlled speech among other things

/points to the downward spiral.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


Edited by Psychoactive1984 (03/09/05 12:37 PM)


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: egghead1]
    #3893040 - 03/09/05 04:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i think we can have an uncorrupted president. well depending on how you define "corrupt". all politicians are slaves to their corporate paymasters.


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: Xomox]
    #3893055 - 03/09/05 04:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I wish there was a person who lied, and followed suit enough to get into office, and then once president, did everything, "right". Then he or she could be like F you, I'm president...that would be hot...


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: NuperSova]
    #3893237 - 03/09/05 05:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well that would be one way to get yourself assasinated..

the problem is not entirely with the corrupt frontmen..corruption can almost be seen as an inherent trait within any class system..especially in one that is designed to keep the rich and powerful in control while keeping everybody else as dependent upon their system as possible..

that is how the game is being played


Edited by usefulidiot (03/09/05 05:32 PM)


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3893467 - 03/09/05 06:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I find this frustrating. Leader? Err you mean dictator? I don't get it? I won't even get into the fact that the American government, whoever it is at the time, will never be any where near the top of the hierarchal pyramid.


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: faslimy]
    #3893554 - 03/09/05 06:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Then who is at the top of the pyramid?

The aliens that helped build them? :P


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: faslimy]
    #3893567 - 03/09/05 06:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Leader, Dictator, all the same. Call em' what you want, it's the job they do that determines who they are.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: faslimy]
    #3893573 - 03/09/05 06:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The job of president paid $400,000 + 50k expenses in 2001.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0875856.html

When it costs hundreds of millions to get the job, there has to be special payback somewhere for someone. How much for a policy?  :wink:


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Re: True Future Leader [Re: psilomonkey]
    #3893604 - 03/09/05 06:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Aye, not to mention they have to pay for their own food in the whitehouse among other expenses. It's not really a lucrative job.

Then you count in the payoffs, + the perks:
http://www.rotary.org/newsroom/downloadcenter/pdfs/financial_president_expenses03-04.pdf

That + pardoning half a prison on your last day in office. Which, ultimately leads to more payoffs.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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