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OfflineShiin
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LSA AND ERGOT
    #3887441 - 03/08/05 03:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sup all? ok ive got this question that has been pissing me off for sumthime and i cant find anything on it from searching the internet so i thought id ask my fellow psychoactive lovers. Ok we all no that morning glory contains LSA or lysergic acid amide and other alkolaids that were thought to only exist in ergot b4 hoffman disocvered them. MY question is how is it possible for a plant in southern us/mexico (morning glory) to have the same alkaloids as the fungus that grows on rye/ lots of grasses most specifically in the central us and europe? My theory was that ergot used to use morning glory as a host for so long that it became synthesized with the plant itself threw evolution. But that doesnt sound true to me nore do i think any of my propositions r even worth a scientific look at. If any of you know sumthing please respond, theres no reason for this question other then my curiousity, but please take this as seriously as u can, so that i can sleep lol Peace and happy shroomin to u all!


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: Shiin]
    #3887479 - 03/08/05 03:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think you are confused.

My understanding is there are 0 ergot alkaloids in morning glory.

Ergot grows out of rye, never morning glory.

You are confused, friend.

Ergot of Rye

erowid: ergot alkaloids


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: delta9]
    #3887498 - 03/08/05 03:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Where's moecat? He conducted a good analysis of the MG alkaloids. However, I think Shiin's poor grammar filled question is more along the lines of evolutionary biology. I don't know if anyone's ever studied it.


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: delta9]
    #3887529 - 03/08/05 03:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, to my understanding there isn't any LSA in Ergot.


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: delta9]
    #3887662 - 03/08/05 04:15 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Edited by moecat (10/17/05 09:01 PM)


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3887738 - 03/08/05 04:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry about the confusion, plainly what i want to know is how the  ergot derivitives(which ergot was the first supplier of)found there way to be part of the morning glory plant? FROM ergot TO morning glory. Thnks again i hope this makes a lil more sense, and like blanely said i think this is more a question of evolutionary biology.


Morning glory and the  ergot derrivitives it holds  

(Info is on paragraphs 5 & 6 down from top)     

Thanks moe :smile:


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Everything I state is strickly false information.

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God destroyeth the wisdom of the wise, by the foolishness of preaching, and calleth not the wise, mighty, and noble, but the foolish, weak, and men of no account.

                                                                                1 Corinthians 1:27


Edited by Shiin (03/08/05 04:31 PM)


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: Shiin]
    #3887846 - 03/08/05 04:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Contact these companies... be careful though :smile:  ergot is a watched substance.

http://www.aliapharm.de/index.html?partner03-e.html

http://www.mindbranch.com/listing/product/R307-8461.html

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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3888070 - 03/08/05 05:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

.


Edited by moecat (10/17/05 09:01 PM)


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: moecat]
    #3888101 - 03/08/05 05:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks again man.


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Everything I state is strickly false information.

"I do not take drugs, I am drugs" Salvador Dali

God destroyeth the wisdom of the wise, by the foolishness of preaching, and calleth not the wise, mighty, and noble, but the foolish, weak, and men of no account.

                                                                                1 Corinthians 1:27


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: Shiin]
    #3891217 - 03/09/05 04:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

trick of the eye


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Re: LSA AND ERGOT [Re: liveby]
    #3891537 - 03/09/05 08:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

in aldous huxley's fascinating final novel _island_ , dr mcphail is reading some scientific journal articles which capture the surprise & excitement within the scientific community at the discovery of ergoline alkaloids within "the higher plants" (as the morning glories were described), since previously these type compounds had only been found in "lower plants" (as rusts, smuts, & other fungi/molds were called back in the 50s & 60s - remeber, this was well before dr lynn margulis & her 5 kindoms schema)...

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also, i think that dr albert hofmann talks about this as well in his book _lsd: my problem child_ & elsewhere...

www.hofmann.org


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