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ChuangTzu
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
#3898162 - 03/10/05 02:40 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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SoopaX said: I don't think that psilocybin would crystallize in methanol. I'm actually fairly sure that it wouldn't.
Well I'm fairly sure it would. Shulgin says "This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol." This would imply that it most certainly would crystallize.
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Maybe using a more selective solvent, like naptha, at cold temperatures would cause good crystallization.
Selective for what, depends on what you're dealing with...
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I'd say to evap the methanol, then redissolve all the solute in freezing naptha. The psilocbin would crystallize and everything else would go through a filter paper.
I suppose you mean naphtha at the freezing point of water since you're not going to dissolve much in a solid.... And if that's the case, how are you going to get it to crystallize, make it even colder?
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: ChuangTzu]
#3900577 - 03/10/05 10:58 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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No no man, I always seem to miscommunicate this point. I'm going to put the crystals in something that they aren't soluable in, but that other extracted materials may be. That substance would be naptha stored in the freezer. Pour the crystals of both solutions into the naptha, filter, and keep the crystals that stay in the solution. Yoou are just, in effect, "washing" the crystals off and allowing them to form even purer.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
#3901101 - 03/11/05 01:45 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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SoopaX said: No no man, I always seem to miscommunicate this point. I'm going to put the crystals in something that they aren't soluable in, but that other extracted materials may be. That substance would be naptha stored in the freezer. Pour the crystals of both solutions into the naptha, filter, and keep the crystals that stay in the solution. Yoou are just, in effect, "washing" the crystals off and allowing them to form even purer.
Ok, but then you should have just said that because washing and crystallizing are two very different, though complementary, things. You should always wash your crystals after crystallizing and between recrystallizations.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
#3908117 - 03/12/05 04:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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It might work like that, but I still think PF's simple alcohol tek would be more fruitful.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: paradis_]
#3909402 - 03/12/05 09:28 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Than what?
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
#3918581 - 03/14/05 10:07 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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couldn't since psilocybin is soluble in water, and psilocin is soluble in ethanol, wouldn't a 70% ethanol, 30% water mixture extract both psilocybin and psilocin, or couldn't you use the method that was stated above, and since methanol is harder to come by, you could extract the psilocin with ethanol, then take the mushroom goop, and boil it in water to extract the psilocybin?
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: MushroomMarkk]
#3925479 - 03/16/05 01:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that heat is one of the things we are trying to avoid.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
#3928834 - 03/17/05 12:58 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know jack about extractions, but I do know Shulgin is a Master Chemist an KNOWS what he is talking about (no matter the amount of drugs he's ingested )
This has been discussed many times before. Do a search.
IMO, vinegar is where its at.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
#3928849 - 03/17/05 01:05 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heres an extra link to check out HERE.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: MrMaddHatter]
#3934678 - 03/18/05 08:38 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've made simple extractions using everclear. i even baught the 151 proof by accident. used it anyway. i put 12-14 grams of powder in a half pint jar, and just cover it with everclear by a smidgen. than i attach my jar to my blender. its a cusinart 'smart power duet' model (duet? wtf) anyhow, it will fit a regular mouth jar onto its rigging.
i turn on the Pulse mode and give it a few half second blasts on low. than some stronger blasts, all real quick tho. while dusting dried mushies in it i learned that its operating friction will heat the mixing blade up real quick. so i keep it to quick bursts. anyhow i mix it for a minute or so than i leave it on the blender, but i turn the whole thing upside down, so the jar is on the bottom and the blender thingy is on top. for some reason it balances perfectly and it looks cool too. anyhow, i give the blender a zing every 10 mintues to an hour or whenever for 6 hours. than i filter it out thru a coffee filter thru a funnel. than i resoak it again in fresh everclear and blend it again etc etc, but this time for 12 hours. than i mix the two and evaperate it down till it fits into a '1 oz. Bottle with Glass Dropper' from the container store, which looks to me like more than 1 oz. when it came time to try it, i took one dropper full. not enough to notice anything over my previous herbal high (wink)
the next day i took two dropperfulls in the morning. i didn't expect much to happen. about 20 minutes later i was manually adding some co2 to some plants and i started to get dizzy and was wondering why i felt flush, than i realized- i must be inhaling too much co2... so i ran into my bathroom and opened the window. i sat on the edge of the sink to calm down and get some air, as i looked over at the bathroom door, i began laughing as i watched the doors woodgrain patterns wash up onto the doorknob, and now remembering the dose i entirely forgot about and that i had thought that i was suffocating.... HA 2 droppers was much more powerful than expected from not noticing one. i dont keep track of time much so im not sure the duration.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: newton]
#3935525 - 03/18/05 11:58 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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On a side note, would you be able to do this with ethanol + benzal chloride (0.1gr per 100ml of ethanol)?
Would it be poisonous or would it decompose with water / evaporate?
I don't seem to find pure ethanol anywhere around here...
Thanks in advance, I'm eager to try this extraction as soon as I'm sure of this.
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MrMaddHatter
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I don't know about that, but I did find this on benzal chloride::
More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 6 ranking systems. Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health.
Found here.
Sounds like some bad stuff.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: MrMaddHatter]
#3940722 - 03/19/05 04:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"CHEMICAL DANGERS: The substance decomposes on burning or on contact with acids and water producing toxic fumes including hydrogen chloride (see ICSC #0163). Reacts with strong oxidants. "
http://www.inchem.org/documents/icsc/icsc/eics0101.htm
Does this mean it's safe to use? Since the ethanol is at 96% I'll have to put water in it, and that would decompose it. Am I right? Or shuold I be careful and try to get pure ethanol?
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ChuangTzu
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Be careful and get pure ethanol. Jeez man, it's pretty obvious ain't it?
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: ChuangTzu]
#3941028 - 03/19/05 05:19 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't know where to get it. I went to a chemistry store and they only got that... I don't even think there's pure ethanol for sale here in Spain...
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MrMaddHatter
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What I would do is distill the ethanol. Thats just me though
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: MrMaddHatter]
#3941502 - 03/19/05 07:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I also tought of that, but I wouldn't know how to do it. Any advice? 
Man, it looks harder to me to find the proper disolvent than to do the extraction itself.
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I'm too fcked up to ramble on about distilling. Do a search on google.
Dilute acetic acid (plain 'ol vinegar) will work well also.
Check this out.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
#12288057 - 03/28/10 02:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why not use acetone as a solvent? It solvable both polar and non polar compounds remarkably well, so it should readily solvate both psilocybin being a zwitterion and psilocin, whether or not it is a salt of a free base.
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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: Aeolus1369]
#12288625 - 03/28/10 04:41 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aeolus1369 said: Interesting, except I found it a bit funny that he referred to the mushrooms as "plants" 
that's probably because of his age, mushies used to classified as plants.
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