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Shulgin on psilocybin extraction
    #3885618 - 03/08/05 02:54 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Not sure if this has been posted before or not.

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/extraction.htm


Things that interested me were the duration of extraction and it's coorelation to the amount of psilocin extracted. Dr S is awesome


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3886935 - 03/08/05 01:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting, except I found it a bit funny that he referred to the mushrooms as "plants" :rolleyes:


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3887039 - 03/08/05 01:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Nice article, and great site.  Thanks man. :smile:


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3890114 - 03/09/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I'd really like some input on this from people with more knowledge in chemistry than myself. If anhydrous methanol, recommended by some, is used for the extraction, but it is a poor solvent for psilocin wouldn't that lead to an incomplete extraction? If water is in the solution, say 70%, would that hurt the psilocin? What would be the best solvent and temperature to fully extract the psilocin and not damage it?


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3890209 - 03/09/05 01:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I've actually been considering using butane as a solvent.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3890228 - 03/09/05 01:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

In the article he says "This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized." Does this mean if i were to boil shrooms in water and then let it evaporate i would have psilocybin crystals. Also if this doesn't work can you explain why. Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but that's why I'm asking.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3890311 - 03/09/05 01:21 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

A very good question. Lots of what Shulgin says contradicts some of the information thats been floating around extraction posts for years.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3890325 - 03/09/05 01:24 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Now that i think about it, if you can make tea with the shrooms then it should work, right. I wish i knew more about chemistry.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3891203 - 03/09/05 04:34 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

this is my extraction tek im yet to try!

Mineral Turpentine 95% Ethanol
mix with epson salt then get powederd material and mix , sit for 2 days then filter the junk out with coffee filter ,let it re-crystalize


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: liveby]
    #3891911 - 03/09/05 11:08 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The thing is with a water extract and half the psilos being solubile its gonna take FOREVER to evap it off and if you boil evaporate it wouldnt it reduce the potency a lot?

Seams like you could do a crude extract with alcohol fairly easily and evap it with hair dryer.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: baraka]
    #3892079 - 03/09/05 11:50 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Or just eat the fuckers!
I mean just how much psilo does one want for an experience?
Alcohol or water seem to be the safer options with extractions afik.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: liveby]
    #3892968 - 03/09/05 04:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry man, I didn't really understand that....


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: NoodleSalad]
    #3892976 - 03/09/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It's actually better than that. It means you can extract shrooms with boiling water and crystals will form when you cool it.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3893023 - 03/09/05 04:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Based solely on that Shulgin article, there are undoubtedly better sources but I'm too lazy to look them up, it would seem that to extract psilocybin it is best (in terms of yield) to extract with anhydrous (boiling) methanol. For psilocin extraction, it seems best to extract with 70% ethanol (also boiling). It also says that psilocin extraction takes a good deal longer than psilocybin extraction.

Putting it all together, I'd say the best procedure would be to first extract with boiling, anhydrous methanol for a short period of time (no clue as to this exact amount of time but perhaps 12 hours) and crystallize psilocybin from this by cooling and collecting the crystals which form. Then take the wet mushroom pulp and fan it dry. Extract again with boiling 70% ethanol, maybe for a few days this time. Crystallize as above.

If no crystals form in either case, quickly evap. off some of the solvent and cool again (on ice). If possible, do the lengthy portions of the extraction without oxygen (under a drying tube, CO2, N2, etc.). It's not water alone which hurts the psilocybin or psilocin, it's water combined with O2 or just O2.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #3897271 - 03/10/05 01:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

And everyone remember to be careful when boiling methanol and ethanol. If you're not using an electric stove, the vapors could easily catch fire and burn all your alkaloids to a crisp


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: SoopaX]
    #3897320 - 03/10/05 01:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Im a chemistry major yay..ok enough of the bragging... what shulgin is saying is that ethanol works really well when there is almost no water present, but when using methanol, and there is water present say 30% it is very inefficient. so your best bet is to use ethanol not methanol, because no matter how much water is in the methanol it will be an inefficient procedure.


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #3897339 - 03/10/05 01:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

sorry but i disagree dont using boiling anhydrous ethanol, or methanol shulgin says
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The isolation of psilocybin seemed to be quite reasonable. This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol, and almost insoluble in boiling ethanol.


your best bet is just to use anhydrous ethanol,of course if you want to do two extractions to retrieve both psilocin and psilocybin 70% aqous solution of ethanol is best for psilocin methanol is fine for psilocybin with almost no water in it of course works for all the cats i know who do it...


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #3897694 - 03/10/05 02:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Very true my fellow Nordic dweller.  :crazy:


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: BladeLSD]
    #3897722 - 03/10/05 02:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

BladeLSD said:
Im a chemistry major yay..




Been there, done that...  :tongue:


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Re: Shulgin on psilocybin extraction [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #3897984 - 03/10/05 03:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Putting it all together, I'd say the best procedure would be to first extract with boiling, anhydrous methanol for a short period of time (no clue as to this exact amount of time but perhaps 12 hours) and crystallize psilocybin from this by cooling and collecting the crystals which form.




I don't think that psilocybin would crystallize in methanol. I'm actually fairly sure that it wouldn't. Maybe using a more selective solvent, like naptha, at cold temperatures would cause good crystallization. I'd say to evap the methanol, then redissolve all the solute in freezing naptha. The psilocbin would crystallize and everything else would go through a filter paper.
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Then take the wet mushroom pulp and fan it dry. Extract again with boiling 70% ethanol, maybe for a few days this time. Crystallize as above.




Yea, thats what I'm thinking will work too.


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