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Offlineexclusive58
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Reasonable Wedding
    #3883237 - 03/07/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

<<I will stay with you for the best and for the worst till...the lack of love do us apart>>

-----> Realist  :craven:


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: exclusive58]
    #3883273 - 03/07/05 05:36 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

there really is only lack of love if it wasn't there in the first place.

if the love is unconditional...then it will always be there for it carries no conditions nor any limits.

if the love is unconditional, then a wedding doesn't really mean much does it?


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: kaiowas]
    #3883292 - 03/07/05 05:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

renew relive relove.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: kaiowas]
    #3884312 - 03/07/05 10:01 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Goddamn right. So many people think that if someone hops in bed with them that it is love. A marriage has to be more....to put up with someone else's shit for 20 years you have to love them.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3884334 - 03/07/05 10:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Marriage isn't an institution of love, it is an institution of selfishness.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: chunder]
    #3884354 - 03/07/05 10:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Wrong. It is an institution of selflessness for those who make it work.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: chunder]
    #3884396 - 03/07/05 10:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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chunder said:
Marriage isn't an institution of love, it is an institution of selfishness.




what if i were to marry myself? :P
:confused: :heart:


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Gomp]
    #3884577 - 03/07/05 10:54 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Bah, marriage is only for tax purposes and to give you the ability to retain ownership of a person legally  :tongue: (by way of an established relationship).

Be better off to just act like you're married instead of actually to be married... especially in the U.S. (Land of the free, and home of the Divorced).


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Gomp]
    #3884583 - 03/07/05 10:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
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chunder said:
Marriage isn't an institution of love, it is an institution of selfishness.




what if i were to marry myself? :P
:confused: :heart:




Well, I don't see an issue as long as you don't want alimony when you're sick of yourself.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3884631 - 03/07/05 11:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your viewpoints sound like the product of a dysfunctional upbringing in a single parent family...or in a familly with unhappy parents. I have been married for 19 years this year and while it often required understanding, it has been a happy marriage. I believe that a happy marriage is the PREREQUISITE to the upbringing of normal children. Single parent families often (though not always) produce ill disciplined, unhappy children. The familly unit started in the stone age and thrived because it was and is necessary for our ultimate survival as a species. It is just the view that you possess that convinces people to screw thier children because they were momentarily bored and get divorced. Selfish people should steer clear of marriage (or any relationships with fellow humans) and child rearing, and so bless society with not having to put up with their irresponsible acts and offspring.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3884718 - 03/07/05 11:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:lol: Take a joke how it's meant  :wink:


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3884797 - 03/07/05 11:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Well, in that case I guess I inappropriately posted...but you would not believe how many serious such cynical posts such as that one you posted I have seen on this forum. The fact that I took it as truth should key you in on that.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3885374 - 03/08/05 01:48 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

True, I just like to make light of the social situation objectively :lol: in terms readily understand by the dominant reality of the situation.

Wedding are great provided you aren't going to follow the "American way" ... dunno, the whole typical (well in terms of mainstream culture) view of a wedding is a flawed one, and a marriage is more of a legal institution today, then it is one of "sacred relationship" as it was meant to be.


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3886122 - 03/08/05 06:42 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

> then it is one of "sacred relationship" as it was meant to be.

You left of, "by Christians". Remember, there are a whole lot of non-Christians out here in the real world.

> I believe that a happy marriage is the PREREQUISITE to the upbringing of normal children.

I would disagree. I believe that loving parents are the key... I have seen plenty of happily married people raise rotten kids. People don't magically become good parents just because they are both happy and married.

> the lack of love do us apart

It isn't a lack of love, but a lack of unconditional love...


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3886202 - 03/08/05 07:52 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

England is home of the divorced, see Henry VIII!

I like to think of Groucho Marx "Marriage is a great intuition, but who wants to spend their lives in an institution!" (may be Winston Churchill)

However the argument about unconditional love is taken. The family unit as evolutionarily advantageous is fallacious, it is easy to see that single parent families would do better if one parent was abusive, or resentful of the group as a whole. Being the child of both sides of a single parent family (mother then father) I have become an extremely well-rounded person (in the view of those who meet me generally). I cannot accept that human beings evolved a complex social structure of families simply for survival. We are by nature a social animal, we starve alone in a wilderness, this is the reason for a family unit, not some form of protective survival instinct.

I'll stop ranting now!  :smirk:


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: PsilocinSam]
    #3888926 - 03/08/05 08:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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We are by nature a social animal, we starve alone in a wilderness, this is the reason for a family unit



Wouldn't that be a form of protective survival instinct? Why would we be a social animal if not for our survival?

Marriage is all about security (social, sexual and financial). If you're in love, you might as well agree on cohabitation terms or make a solemn vow to eachother.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3889000 - 03/08/05 08:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Personally, I dont view marriage as completely necessary. Rather just life partners.


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Re: Reasonable Wedding [Re: Seuss]
    #3889524 - 03/08/05 10:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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> then it is one of "sacred relationship" as it was meant to be.

You left of, "by Christians".  Remember, there are a whole lot of non-Christians out here in the real world.




Sacred in respects to what it stands for, sorry I didn't clarify. Sacred beyond the "holy" context as deemed as a union by god, the woman + man. Sacred in its representation as a relationship more evolved then just going "steady".

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WildRunner said:
Personally, I dont view marriage as completely necessary. Rather just life partners.




Then you lose out on all your tax deductions :lol: ... beyond that, I fully agree to the extent that you have a foundation, it needn't be recognized by law, so much as the persons in question engaging in an unwritten contract.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


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