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Some karo ratio results
    #3882111 - 03/07/05 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I kept getting different answers from people on the ratio of karo to water, so I did a few test jars a little while ago. Here are my results:

1 Tablespoon karo : 100ml water -- after 2.5 weeks both jars were thin, wispy myc clouds that I could see through. Didn't look that great.

1 Tablespoon karo : 150ml water -- after 2.5 weeks myc looks better, thicker than 1:100. Still not as opaque as I'd like (I used this jar for inoculation)

1 Tablespoon karo : 200ml water --after 2.5 weeks myc looks pretty good--opaque, strandy and gripping to glass shards in jar (I used this jar for inoculation on some different jars).

1 Tablespoon karo : 250ml water-- after 2.5 weeks, myc looks good, healthy, strandy. Not much difference from the 1:200ml solution (I'm chilling this jar for later use).

Anyone with experience care to comment on these ratios? Just thought I'd throw this out to try to help clarify. I guess the thing I learned was that a stronger solution of karo to water inhibits growth. I suppose I should do up another batch here in awhile and see how solutions above 1:250ml work.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3882125 - 03/07/05 12:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is what people have told me too! I never had a problem with 2 tablespoons per 100ml.




That doesnt mean I wouldnt see much better results with less though! I am thinking of trying it out in fact, nice info!


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3882151 - 03/07/05 12:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

very good work man 5 shrooms for the work.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3882178 - 03/07/05 12:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
This is what people have told me too! I never had a problem with 2 tablespoons per 100ml.




That doesnt mean I wouldnt see much better results with less though! I am thinking of trying it out in fact, nice info!




Interesting. The only thing that wasn't controlled for the 1:100ml jars was that they were jelly jars (I think 1/4 pint?) versus 1/2 pint jars for the others. Regardless, the solutions for all the jars were mixed up in a gradiated pyrex measuring cup. Thus, the ratios were all as stated, but there was less total volume for the 1:100ml jars. There was still plenty of solution to grow myc in, though, I think.

I'd like to hear others' results with this, though. Because, as your pics show, apparently 2 tablespoons to 100ml works. Hmmm.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3882196 - 03/07/05 01:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, you know I didnt think of that. Perhaps 200ml of water should be used and differing amounts of karo. 1 tsp, 1tbsp, 2tbsp, ect.

Agar who has some of the thickest liquid slurries I've seen, uses large amounts of liquid..quarts at a time. Perhaps the amount of liquid is benificial. Who knows...


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3882686 - 03/07/05 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Some degree of filtered air exchange helps a lot. A stir plate also gives it a great boost.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: agar]
    #3882799 - 03/07/05 04:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have only been growing a couple months now but I have been doing liquid from the start. I have been using 1 teaspoon per 120ml of water. I got that ratio from a forum here. I have noticed from pictures on the boards, especially Agars above lol, that my jars do not really have a lot of mycelium. I did over 100 half pint brf cakes from 1 quart of mycelium and they all took tho, so there is enough mycelium. I would think that more white in the solution would be better tho. In that regard, i tried 2 teaspoons per 120ml 3 different times and they didnt take. I thought that maybe I had reached a point of too much karo in solution, but after reading this post I wonder. If anyone would be willing to mention their ratios of karo/water, I would appreciate it.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3882845 - 03/07/05 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I haven't had any problems with Karo.

I read a post from Psilocybeingzz on Karo...he was having good results and asked him for his ratio's.
Looked around the house...found a few bottles of Karo sitting in my pantry.

Ratio's he gave me and that I have been using :

Karo Tall 1/2 pint jar : makes it almost half full.
4cc's of Karo (light corn syrup)
96cc's of Warm Water

Karo Tall 1/2 pint jar : makes it almost full.
8cc's of Karo (light corn syrup)
192cc's of Warm Water

larger size jars just double the recipy...til you get what you need.

Air exchange...I feel is very important...I use a 2 hole lid.
One hole has an injection port...the other hole is covered with a small round bandaid, for air exchange.

I add a marble to the jar...to break up the mycelium.
I pc for 30 minutes at 15 psi.

side note...I haven't had any type of caramelization problems.

1/2 pint jar...half full.


1/2 pint jar...almost full.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: Roadkill]
    #3882882 - 03/07/05 04:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That bottom jar is awesome :smile:  I will try those ratios and thank you.  I haven't been using a marble or anything in my jars tho.  I have been doing the old tornado swirl thing to mix it.  After swirling I see mycelium bits all over the solution.  Is the marble that benefical, i.e. the possible difference between my jars and what i see on these pics?  Maybe it breaks up more of the mycelium I can't see, which may cause it grow more.  Kind of like more innoc points?  One last question.  How much of a syring do you use to innoc the karo jar? 2ml? And do you try to use a darker syringe?  Thanks for info and help.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #3882937 - 03/07/05 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That bottom jar is awesome :smile:  I will try those ratios and thank you.  I haven't been using a marble or anything in my jars tho.  I have been doing the old tornado swirl thing to mix it.  After swirling I see mycelium bits all over the solution.  Is the marble that benefical, i.e. the possible difference between my jars and what i see on these pics?  Maybe it breaks up more of the mycelium I can't see, which may cause it grow more.  Kind of like more innoc points?  One last question.  How much of a syring do you use to innoc the karo jar? 2ml? And do you try to use a darker syringe?  Thanks for info and help.




Thanks

I have 6 jars like the bottom picture(in the above post) going right now. :smile:

Yes the marble really helps in breaking up the mycelium when you are ready to make mycelium syringes.

I use 2 cc's of a spore syringe to start a jar...or I'll use some live mycelium to start a jar.

Too dark of a syringe is a waste of spores...its overkill...IMHO

Picture of a jar that I broke up the mycelium using the marble.


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Re: Some karo ratio results [Re: agar]
    #3883107 - 03/07/05 05:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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agar said:
Some degree of filtered air exchange helps a lot. A stir plate also gives it a great boost.





What is a stir plate? For better air exchange, then, you use coffee filters in lieu of foil? I have 2 holes on all my lids, though I would guess having foil on limits the air exchange.


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