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Mycorhizzal plant experiment
    #3879312 - 03/06/05 09:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure if anyone else here is familiar with an Italian company that sells Oak and Filbert Seedlings that are claimed to be colonized by truffle fungus. According to their method, they simply introduce pieces of fungus onto the roots of the tree.



I would like to replicate this with other mycorhizzal fungi; such as boletes, chantrelles, or the pine mushroom. I will probably be trying inoculation with spores, culture on agar, and live flesh when available. The goal of the experiment is not as much to verify colonization but instead to watch growth patterns.

There are a couple trees I would be interested in for this experiment. I am unfamiliar with much plant propagation so I hope that someone here can help me out. I'd like to airlayer or take cuttings and then once a small rootball is developed, start introducing the fungi. Starting at seeds is not time favorable and I don't have any grafting knowledge or rootstock. These are the species I'm interested in, I'm going to organize them by the genus of mushroom associated with the plant:

Boletes
Birch
Bishop Pine
Monterey Pine

Chantrelles
Shagbark hickory
American Beech

Matsutake
Jack Pine
Ponderosa Pine

Does anyone know which ones could be airlayered, or can just be cloned as a cutting?


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3879698 - 03/06/05 10:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

cool shit. chants seem to grow in areas with low deciduous trees and mainly older doug fir forests. i have picked on slopes where there were only fir and cedar present, no maple or alders. perhaps trying doug fir would work too?

i read somewhere that they grow in older forests, they made mention to deer lichen i think it was. perhaps that would make experimenting with seedlings difficult?


i dont know much of anything about it, jsut putting it out there.


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: kadakuda]
    #3880475 - 03/07/05 12:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

In my area, I always find chantrelles with American beech but notsomuch oak and hickory.

But as I said before, I'm not really aiming for fruits, mostly because I shouldn't expect fruits for years. Its a fusion between two ideas; the Italian Truffle Tree company and a paper I read on introducing forest soil mycoflora into bonsai pines.

If the method works, I'd like to use it to rebuild a forest. While cutting down trees and turning them into mushrooms, I would "inoculate" the forest with trees inoculated by mycorhizzal fungi. Eventually, every tree in the forest or its forebearers would have come from the project and thus produce mushrooms.


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3880639 - 03/07/05 12:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

cool idea, that bonsai mushroom ghrowing sounds fricken cool!

personally i dont liek teh idea of cutting and replanting mushroom trees.  would you not be able to add spores to existing stands of trees?  i would think this would cut out a good 40+ years.

interesting stuff :thumbup:


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: kadakuda]
    #3892165 - 03/09/05 12:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Can't anyone tell me if I can airlayer these trees? Could I use micro-propagation? See: http://www.une.edu.au/~agronomy/AgSSrHortTCinfo.html


I was going to try that technique to steal the houseplants from my college campus.


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3895478 - 03/10/05 12:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the hardwoods are no problem to airlayer, pines are a trash tree.


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3895940 - 03/10/05 01:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lol i like that. they are shitty trees to do much other than start by seed. although i cant recall ever trying. i have seen cedars naturally air layered, or rather branches get covered in crap and shoot out roots. of course that doesnt really help much.

may as well try though, worst case you dont get your tree....or maybe you kill the tree.


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: kadakuda]
    #3896283 - 03/10/05 03:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Are pines dependant on mycorhizzal fungi from seed?


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3899653 - 03/10/05 09:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

do pines need fingus to sprout?  no.  in the wild some (cant think of which, i think lodgpole does) need to have a fire for the seed coat so the seed is able to germinate.  i dont really know tons about it.  if you looked up pine germintaion im sure you would get some good info, and lots of useless crap :wink:

priz probably knows.


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: kadakuda]
    #3900595 - 03/11/05 01:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

pines grow like weeds down here, they are even grow in our red clay, pines are
easily sprouted with no stratification or scarification needed, stick it in moist soil and it'll sprout if the seed is still viable...


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #3901390 - 03/11/05 09:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sorry. I am/was cofused by "pines are a trash tree".

I know they grow like weeds and I know that they are usually the first type of trees to move into an area after hedges/etc.

What makes them hard to airlayer or strait up clone by cutting?


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3901452 - 03/11/05 09:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

they jsut never gave me roots when i tried. they have however givin me lots of rot, and dead branches....

where i live on the coast they are not overly common, but go inland a bit, especially past the coast range, and there are tons!


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Re: Mycorhizzal plant experiment [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3901549 - 03/11/05 10:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

YidakiMan said:
What makes them hard to airlayer or strait up clone by cutting?




the trash trees comment is because the are too prone to insect and disease damage
as well as physical damage from high winds and ice/snow, the limbs become very
brittle when they freeze, as for the air layering, you'll find it better and more
efficient to propagate from seed because the bark is usualy fairly thick even on
smaller limbs and the trees are quite suceptable to rot

paper/lumber companies as well as reforestation groups will supply you with seedlings by the thousands if you're interested in growing them


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