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Unlearning through entheogens
    #3876553 - 03/06/05 11:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

When one ingests entheogens one is thrown out of ones current frame of existence. Illusion or not, that shouldn't be the point. To view my own life from a "cosmic" perspective have changed something deep inside of me. It's like it has changed my subconscious urges or something. Those who disregard the term 'cosmic perspective' can replace it with something along the lines of 'being outta your head', or 'too fucked up to recognize one's own patterns of thinking'.

Being able to see that all views upon all matters are almost entirely influenced by perspective. Even logic. Move the point of reference, then the laws of logic will change depending on viewpoint.

This is The Brainwash. Then one is better fit to explore openly without expectations.

Destruction. The brainwash is a clearing of pathways to allow for new structures. re-structuring.

Maybe this is unhealthy...? I find it somewhat hard to deal with, but still hope that the process have a happy destination.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: dorkus]
    #3876635 - 03/06/05 11:54 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe your post should have been entitled 'Confusion through ethogens' instead?  :crazy: :grin:

Brainwashing is no good, we need to spring clean yes, but not blow the shit out of our houses  :shocked:


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: egghead1]
    #3876645 - 03/06/05 11:56 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Brainwashing is a word.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: dorkus]
    #3876648 - 03/06/05 11:57 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Do you blow shit out when cleaning your apartment?


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: dorkus]
    #3876649 - 03/06/05 11:58 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It certainly is :thumbup:


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: dorkus]
    #3876658 - 03/06/05 12:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No i appericate the foul aroma eminating from under the couch.  :grin:

But seriously though, brainwashing is no good, it clears away everything but our confusion. Our confusion can only be cleared up through healthy sanitation.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: egghead1]
    #3876665 - 03/06/05 12:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am going to wash my bathroom now. No shit will be blown, but I hope the job will make the room shiny and fresh.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: dorkus]
    #3876670 - 03/06/05 12:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Great  :grin: you made me smile  :grin: Go clean. Be fresh and wakeful, dont let even a spot of shit remain.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: egghead1]
    #3876672 - 03/06/05 12:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

as part of ones ablutions, one may entheogenate.

the washed brain perceives contexts in relation to more multi-layered contexts, and responds not to singularity, but to confluence and a more ordered/resonant chaos.

I would not say it is without paradox, but the stretch towards paradox and complexity, and the washing itself seem to be a healing practice.

(some effort towards the middle way is required)


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3876726 - 03/06/05 12:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Except that ethogens to me are just tools. To heal, these tools are to be used under good guidance. Otherwise you're playing with dynamite without a manual or someone who knows how best to use it. Do it on your own and you could end up blowing up your sanity.  :shocked:

Best be on the safe side and take cold turkey for the mind. Magic Mushrooms are one of God's powerful tools, and are only of real use under the guidance of God. :wink:

Thats just my opinion, everyone will always do what they think is best.  :heart:


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: egghead1]
    #3876772 - 03/06/05 12:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

small death :P

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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: egghead1]
    #3877014 - 03/06/05 01:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Magic Mushrooms are one of God's powerful tools, and are only of real use under the guidance of God. :wink:




The meme that perpetuates god has a great survival rate. It's amazing.

Oh, BTW... there is nothing about psychedelia that can't be explained by good ol' materialism.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: ergot]
    #3877145 - 03/06/05 02:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

psychedelics are social-deconditioning agents. They break down socially contructed barriers and ideas and force you to rebuild them. The people I trip with are like family to me because we've re-built our values together.

This is what happened in the 60's. There was massive deconditioning which threatened the power structure and forced the re-evaluation/re-construction of social values and morals. Our american society is completely different today than it was in the 50's! But as the same time things are getting worse.... ?!! I suppose the ideal wasn't fully realized.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: ergot]
    #3877263 - 03/06/05 03:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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ergot said:
Quote:

egghead1 said:
Magic Mushrooms are one of God's powerful tools, and are only of real use under the guidance of God. :wink:




The meme that perpetuates god has a great survival rate. It's amazing.

Oh, BTW... there is nothing about psychedelia that can't be explained by good ol' materialism.




Only thing to do now is to spawn a new meme based on similar beliefs if you want to get rid of that.

Example:
1) Based on science, real life impending doom.
2) j00 need to listen to those in power... or else they'll kill you directly (cut out the middle man)
3) You all need to cooperate else a big ass catastrophe will happen.
4) If you're evil instead of going to hell, they just roast you alive.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3877340 - 03/06/05 03:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

need to unlearn both memes
just junk clogging up the nice gaps left by the entheogen mind wash.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3877407 - 03/06/05 03:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Do you believe that entheogens are tools that can clear or confuse?

To me it seems that entheogens can heal when used correctly under the right circumstances, with the right substance and the right individual at the right time with guidance, but there is too much of a margin for error.They also have the possibility of causing much harm as well as good. Cold turkey for the mind is much better than any substance induced cleaning.  :heart:


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: dr0mni]
    #3877624 - 03/06/05 04:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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psychedelics are social-deconditioning agents. They break down socially contructed barriers and ideas and force you to rebuild them. The people I trip with are like family to me because we've re-built our values together.

This is what happened in the 60's. There was massive deconditioning which threatened the power structure and forced the re-evaluation/re-construction of social values and morals. Our american society is completely different today than it was in the 50's! But as the same time things are getting worse.... ?!! I suppose the ideal wasn't fully realized.




This is a better way to put it. I completely agree with it. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #3877797 - 03/06/05 04:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If we are attempting to de-condition, why rebuild anything? Would'nt that be just another way of conditioning ourselves?

Presumably if we were to remove the all layers of conditioning, then once all the layers are washed away, should'nt we be left with a clean slate? If so why the desire to build anything onto this perfectly clean slate?

I think this is where the hippies went wrong, they got a little self-rightious and built unrealistic values ontop of there clean slates, and wanted or expected everyone else (society) to conform to that new set of conditioned values, when really all they needed to do was be clean and emenate the love :heart:, then maybe everyone would have naturally seen that and asked how to be that way?


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: egghead1]
    #3877820 - 03/06/05 04:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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If we are attempting to de-condition, why rebuild anything? Would'nt that be just another way of conditioning ourselves?

Presumably if we were to remove the all layers of conditioning, then once all the layers are washed away, should'nt we be left with a clean slate? If so why the desire to build anything onto this perfectly clean slate?

I think this is where the hippies went wrong, they got a little self-rightious and built unrealistic values ontop of there clean slates, and wanted or expected everyone else (society) to conform to that new set of conditioned values, when really all they needed to do was be clean and emenate the love :heart:, then maybe everyone would have naturally seen that and asked how to be that way?




Taking something away is the creation of something is it not? Albeit thought in a lesser context, perhaps it is greater. A perfectly clean state (re: impossibility) would be a reconstruction, so whatever you unlearn, your still reconstructing by virtue of the process.


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Re: Unlearning through entheogens [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3877866 - 03/06/05 05:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Creation? Taking something away, is destruction, is it not?

In the ever present absence before form, is there not space? When the layers of conditioning are removed, what can be left other than this perfectly clean space? Was it there all along, but we just could'nt see it?

The processes still go on, but with a bit of love, we can be free.  :heart:


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