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giuliana sgrena ...
    #3876105 - 03/06/05 05:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

why did america want to kill this woman..after she had been taken prisoner by our enemies and then released.. only to become a target of what was clearly a US assassination attempt? ..

the car wasnt speeding!!...

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The Italian journalist who was wounded by American troops at a checkpoint in Baghdad shortly after she was released by her Iraqi captors denied U.S. allegations that the car she was in was speeding.




the answer to question above can be found in this article from al-jazeera ..

Quote:

The shooting late Friday was witnessed by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office which was on the phone with one of the secret service agents, said Scolari.

"Then the U.S. military silenced the cell phones," he charges.

"Giuliana had information, and the U.S. military did not want her to survive," he added.




we can get a clue as to what kind of information from her writings in il manifesto...

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?We buried them, but we could not identify them because they were charred from the napalm bombs used by the Americans?. People from Saqlawiya village, near Falluja, told al Jazeera television, based in Qatar, that they helped bury 73 bodies of women and children completely charred, all in the same grave. The sad story of common graves, which started at Saddam?s times, is not yet finished. Nobody could confirm if napalm bombs have been used in Falluja, but other bodies found last year after the fierce battle at Baghdad airport were also completely charred and some thought of nuclear bombs. No independent source could verify the facts, since all the news arrived until now are those spread by journalists embedded with the American troops, who would only allow British and American media to enrol with them. But the villagers who fled in the last few days spoke of many bodies which had not been buried: it was too dangerous to collect the corpses during the battle.

Yesterday, for the first time since the beginning of the military campaign, the American Headquarters allowed a convoy of the Red Crescent (the Iraqi Red Cross) to enter the city with 7 ambulances and two trucks filled with food. In the past days the convoys of the humanitarian organizations were stopped on the other side of Eufrathes. Thus maybe we will now be able to obtain some more news on the conditions of the people who are left in the city -- the majority fled -- during 15 days of fierce and uninterrumpted attacks.

Yesterday Bill Taylor, responsible for the reconstruction of the Department of state, said that the United States government will spend more than 100 million dollars for the reconstruction of Falluja. The money will be invested in public buildings, private houses, shops, infrastructure. A destruction which could be avoided, if a different solution had been chosen for Falluja, as it was wished by many Iraqis. And what about all the civilians killed, of which the number is not known and probably never will? Will 100 million dollars be enough to gain back the trust of those who live in Falluja? Not likely, in fact, the opposite is more likely. It is in fact easy to foresee, even for the observers, that this ?pacification? will not smooth the way for the elections. The anger of those who inhabit the Sunni triangle will more likely be exploited by those who are willing to do anything in order to avoid the vote.




but giuliana did survive..and now the republican smear machine has its work cut for it..however minor...


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3876388 - 03/06/05 09:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, al jazeera is a reliable source........ this ranks in the top ten dumbest theories ever.


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #3876507 - 03/06/05 11:02 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

to bad the soldier missed the commie cunt.


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3876834 - 03/06/05 12:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

too bad today I didn't hear any americans being killed in iraq :frown:


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: MushMushi]
    #3876856 - 03/06/05 01:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

^ :thumbup: ...


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3876872 - 03/06/05 01:03 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If you are correct, she will reveal this top secret information that she has now that she survived. I haven't heard anything yet but ill give it a few more days before i totally disregard these conspiracy theories.


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Catalysis]
    #3876921 - 03/06/05 01:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

^ i think that whether or not the "top secret information" is correct..it will be the easiest thing in the world for the bush spin machine to discredit.. il manifesto is no the nation...


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3876940 - 03/06/05 01:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

See now here is where you run into a problem. If it is so easy for Bush to spin whatever info she has, why would they attempt to assassinate her at a public checkpoint, creating a huge incident and losing credibility?


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Catalysis]
    #3876957 - 03/06/05 01:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever happened....it is a tragedy. There is no doubt about that.

However, I'm not sure what to believe. This woman is a reporter for a communist newspaper that is virulently anti-American. Can we trust her stories and her perceptions?


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Catalysis]
    #3876965 - 03/06/05 01:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

When ordered to stop by American troops in Iraq, 1 mph is speeding.
If they wanted her dead she would be dead, along with all of her escorts.
Like Catalysis, I eagerly await her revelations, complete with proof of any wrongdoing by her ideological superiors.
The whole episode of her hostagedom is rather suspect, as is the means by which the Italians achieved her "release," of which they are not speaking.
She will return to her rock and continue to spew her unsubstantiated (see excerpt above, in which she repeatedly uses phrases like "nobody could confirm"....."the number is not known"....."some thought of nuclear bombs"....etc.) anti-America venom to no audience of consequence. Ciao.


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3877048 - 03/06/05 01:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

giuliana sgrena actually works for America in the dis-information department.
Her current situation was created by "US" for "US".


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Catalysis]
    #3877133 - 03/06/05 02:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Catalysis said:
See now here is where you run into a problem. If it is so easy for Bush to spin whatever info she has, why would they attempt to assassinate her at a public checkpoint, creating a huge incident and losing credibility?




just because its easy to spin doesnt necessarily make it less convienient to kill her anyway...now that she is alive..she might become sort of a keratosis on the administration...


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3877148 - 03/06/05 02:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Like Catalysis, I eagerly await her revelations, complete with proof of any wrongdoing by her ideological superiors.




being a jackboot thug doesnt make one "ideologically superior"...


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3877153 - 03/06/05 02:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

No, it doesn't. Having better ideas does.


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3877954 - 03/06/05 05:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

trying to kill someone in order to prevent them from disseminating their ideas hardly shows that yours (you being the killer) are any better...


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3878305 - 03/06/05 05:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmmmm. Let's see. A single car approaching armed American soldiers who want to see to it that one occupant is killed. And yet, and yet, she SURVIVES. Mirabile dictu. I wonder how they knew it was her car. Who tipped them off? I just can't wait to see the stunning revelations which will no doubt be forthcoming from this journalistic genius. There's no stopping this intrepid paragon now.


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3878602 - 03/06/05 06:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

She said of her captors,
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"When they let me go, it was a difficult moment for me because they told me, `The Americans don't want you to return alive to Italy.'"




That seems like a strange thing to say coming from people who kidnapped you and threatened your life on a video released to the public. Im not sure what to make of that.


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Catalysis]
    #3879245 - 03/06/05 08:56 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

For the best assault on this drivel that I've seen check out Protein Wisdom
http://www.celluloid-wisdom.com/pw/index.php?/weblog/entry/18065/#comments


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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3880439 - 03/07/05 12:18 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: giuliana sgrena ... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3881669 - 03/07/05 07:46 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ah, now I see. We didn't target her because of the vast well of American evildoing she was about to expose, we targeted her because we were pissed that Italy is paying ransoms. Still can't figure how these grunts knew it was her car and how she survived.

They need to not pay ransom. It encourages more kidnappings and the money can be used to further supply anti-Iraq insurgents. I think a full disclosure should be forthcoming on the Italian ransom payment and if one has been made all non-military Italians should be expelled. Farming Italian hostages could become the best source of income for insurgents. Especially complicit ones.


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