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How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil?
    #3874915 - 03/05/05 11:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

how many of our rights will they have to take away? up untill now they have been very careful in taking away our rights only for our own good, cleverly making us happy as our freedoms are stripped away.

how far will it go before people realise what is happening and put a foot down? what rights have to be taken away for americans to deem it necissary to take up arms to protect their civil liberties?

when will they try and take away our rights to fight back, our right to bear arms?


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3875136 - 03/06/05 12:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i think most people now are content at having thier liberties taken away, because many of these freedoms taken from them they do not see as important.


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: ]
    #3875204 - 03/06/05 12:39 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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<OT>I read that as john ritter at first and was wondering wtf he could have to do with this thread, heh </OT>


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: unbeliever]
    #3875240 - 03/06/05 12:49 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i have read that, and i dont really believe it.

but seriously after our right to bear arms is taken away we will loose any chance to opose anything.
do you think that we will fight back when they try and take it from us?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3875281 - 03/06/05 01:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It just takes a few to really get the ball rolling.


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: SoopaX]
    #3875388 - 03/06/05 01:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Hrmmm is a violent revolt truly the most inspired thing to do? Would it not be better to just get the ball rolling and to change it by that?

A Shitty looking house with a nice foundation is still a nice house. This country was founded on a great foundation; albeit it's gradually being worn away. Anyway, the house just needs a paint job if anything. By way of that, I'm suggesting that violence won't help.

The same fuckin' thing will ultimately happen: rinse, wash, repeat and we will be back from where we started from. Be better to just clean the house up instead of trying to build an entirely new one. Much easier to fix something up then it is to start from scratch.

If americans are ever threatened to that degree, I can assure you shit will hit the fan.... NRA will be all over the place. Anyhow, my point is that ultimately, a revolt isn't going to happen until people are threatened, and/or something induces a form of mass hysteria which forces to believe they are threatened.


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3875433 - 03/06/05 02:02 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think that the Americans that would 'revolt' if guns were banned would be trying to go back to the initial structure.


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3875437 - 03/06/05 02:03 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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zippoz said:
i have read that, and i dont really believe it.

but seriously after our right to bear arms is taken away we will loose any chance to opose anything.
do you think that we will fight back when they try and take it from us?





So...the other industrialized first-world countries that don't have liberal gun laws are in bondage to their socialist governments? A gun, or the right to own and carry that gun, equals personal liberty, all or nothing?
How does owning a gun = oppose all; and no gun=total acquiescence?
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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3875449 - 03/06/05 02:06 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Easy enough to create guns if necessary, I don't think it's so much the absence of weapons, It's the absence of the freedom to have them (In our scenario anyhow).


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3875475 - 03/06/05 02:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Those who are willing to sacrifice their basic liberties to assure their security deserve neither."
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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3875496 - 03/06/05 02:24 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Easy enough to create guns if necessary, I don't think it's so much the absence of weapons, It's the absence of the freedom to have them (In our scenario anyhow).




So, what is your point? If we can't have guns then that speaks directly to a loss of overall personal liberty?
***Deleted by Rono*** Palestinians use rocks to make their point. This country is so large, of COURSE there are going to be, at the very least, Ruby Ridge gun owners that will fuck shit up.
Seriously. What is our domestic guard force? The guy that administrates the local rec center?
What the fuck are you talking about? You're saying that the current status quo will suddenly go to some sort of authoritarian state and we'll take it?
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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3875509 - 03/06/05 02:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

Psychoactive1984 said:
Easy enough to create guns if necessary, I don't think it's so much the absence of weapons, It's the absence of the freedom to have them (In our scenario anyhow).




So, what is your point? If we can't have guns then that speaks directly to a loss of overall personal liberty?
You're being a fag. Palestinians use rocks to make their point. This country is so large, of COURSE there are going to be, at the very least, Ruby Ridge gun owners that will fuck shit up.
Seriously. What is our domestic guard force? The guy that administrates the local rec center?
What the fuck are you talking about? You're saying that the current status quo will suddenly go to some sort of authoritarian state and we'll take it? Fuck off and get some fucking brains, bitch.




Anyone ever tell you how good you are at explaining yourself? Read however deep you want. Not going to change what I was saying. Sorry you can't "decode" that. Go back to OTD.


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"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3875512 - 03/06/05 02:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

zippoz said:
i have read that, and i dont really believe it.

but seriously after our right to bear arms is taken away we will loose any chance to opose anything.
do you think that we will fight back when they try and take it from us?





So...the other industrialized first-world countries that don't have liberal gun laws are in bondage to their socialist governments?  A gun, or the right to own and carry that gun, equals personal liberty, all or nothing? 
How does owning a gun = oppose all; and no gun=total acquiescence?
Jesus Christ.  Why don't you fucking think before posting.





well now isnt that a little harsh. perhapd you sohuld fucking think before replying? eh?

the point that im trying to make here is that an un-armed public is going to have a much more difficult time causing rebellion against the goverement if it dose take a hard right turn, than an armed public.
i mean shit we can still rebel with our sticks and stones, and what remains of the illegally owned weapons of the society but its not going to be anywhere near as effective.

if you disagree i would be happy to get a flack jacket riot gear and an assault rifle while you can opose me un-armed to make this point. :laser:


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3875528 - 03/06/05 02:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'd think that it would be the reasoning for any degree of gun control first off... If it's going to be sold to us to keep us safe from terrorists or any of that other bullshit being used to restrict us... It ain't going to fly. I can't really think of a legitimate reason for it anyhow. Any ideas?


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3875602 - 03/06/05 03:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3875638 - 03/06/05 03:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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To both of you.  Let's see your hypothetical worldview get through the NRA.  And also, for the gunless countries, why aren't they tyrannies?  You fuckwads.




I guess OTD taught you how to flame well enough. I have yet to see a better suggestion comming from you. Unless you're incapable of thinking of something beyond a flame.

The nature of my argument was that it has absolutely nothing to do with having guns, or not (once again, I'll do my best to break it down for you, I realize now that it seems to be really complex to someone with your mind). I'm merely suggesting that if anything that would cause a revolt is the taking away, and fleecing of our liberties for security e.g. Patriot act, and the extension of it (or similar acts).

I'm sorry, perhaps I should instruct you how to think as well: don't worry, whatever happens in regards to our liberties, I'm sure you'll be more then happy as long as you can still flame someone with little or no basis for argumentation.


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3875681 - 03/06/05 03:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Go ahead then and see your subtle slithering away of liberties. You picked a poor example, tho.
Where do you see this domestic, "Big Lie" in action?
I'm sorry, man, but regardless of your political philosophy, I can't see how a given person/ideology in power would get away with a power grab.
If you get to the extreme on either side of the pendulum, you get the libertarian right or the leftist ACLU people.
The Patriot Act has a sundown clause. It has to be voted into effect again. I'm far more concerned with domestic social issues rather than basic "freedoms" like owning a gun.
I still don't understand what you're trying to say.:


"I'm merely suggesting that if anything that would cause a revolt is the taking away, and fleecing of our liberties for security e.g. Patriot act, and the extension of it (or similar acts). "

That sentence is shit poor, first off. That sounds like something a 9th grader would write for his paper 20 minutes before 1st period. So where's the point that makes America revolt, en masse? A general curtailing of liberties? Which liberties? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MANY SPECIAL INTERESTS EXIST IN WASHINGTON??
Go on then and post. I can see you're really not worth it. I won't change you're thinking and you're pushing shit. So, we're even.


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3875849 - 03/06/05 04:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

civilised

adj 1: having a high state of culture and development both social and technological; "terrorist acts that shocked the civilized world" [syn: civilized] [ant: noncivilized] 2: marked by refinement in taste and manners; "cultivated speech"; "cultured Bostonians"; "cultured tastes"; "a genteel old lady"; "polite society" [syn: civilized, cultivated, cultured, genteel, polite]

discussion

n 1: an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic; "the book contains an excellent discussion of modal logic"; "his treatment of the race question is badly biased" [syn: treatment, discourse] 2: an exchange of views on some topic; "we had a good discussion"; "we had a word or two about it" [syn: give-and-take, word]

that might help you there gnubobo... stop flaming or please leave.


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: How long untill a violent revolt happens on americal soil? [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3875856 - 03/06/05 04:15 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

now im a bit fuzzy on this piece of history but i would like to mention it. in the days/ years preceding ww2 in germany wasnt there a ban on owning personal guns? im not sure if this only applied to the jews, but they were certainly included. how different do you think the mass execution of an ARMED race would have gone?


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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