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Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord?
    #3866749 - 03/04/05 08:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I want to hear how it sounds, the musicchart details can be found here.
Including some background information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_chord


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: Fliquid]
    #3866929 - 03/04/05 10:28 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

because of the standard tuning on the guitar it's not easy to grab this chord. I actually never heard of it before so I had to find it out from the tones in your link. It sounds a little bit like chords used in jazz.


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: stefan]
    #3866967 - 03/04/05 10:38 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well, if anyone can play it and record it in a high quality sample...
It would be appreciated very much, I want it for a track.  :grin:


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: Fliquid]
    #3866989 - 03/04/05 10:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

do you know how it sounds? it doesn't sound mystic like you would expect with that name


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: Fliquid]
    #3866993 - 03/04/05 10:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'll slap it in a vst later tonight.
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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: Blastrid]
    #3867028 - 03/04/05 10:56 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I'll slap it in a vst later tonight.
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vst... which format is that again?
I only use ableton and reason.. :dancing:


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: Fliquid]
    #3867147 - 03/04/05 11:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

vst are synths and plugins


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: stefan]
    #3867179 - 03/04/05 11:58 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Aargh!  :whoa: Fruityloops?!


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: Fliquid]
    #3867202 - 03/04/05 12:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

or cubase etc
unfortunately only reason doesn't support VST(i)'s


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: stefan]
    #3867207 - 03/04/05 12:13 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I believe ableton does use vst's..

But vst's...  :crazy:  :grin:

A sample in a normal format would be nice as well..  :grin:


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: Fliquid]
    #3868430 - 03/04/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

neat, that is a tricky one to do on the guitar.

8 9 8 9 10 10 from low E to high e works alright though, if you can nail the pinky bar on the 10th fret. neat sound :smile:, very jazzy, I agree.  sorry, no time to record it right now :\.

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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: spores]
    #3868902 - 03/04/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hard to play on guitar?

Um.

0-1-0-1-2-2

Methinks me recalls from my study of music that the chord was not always on C, and could start on any note. Methinks sometimes the people who write the Wiki's are ametuers writing as experts.

Also, the arrangement of the voices is not important, so even to keep the same pitch classes, something like

0-0-0-3-1-2
or
5-5-4-3-1-0 (I couldn't grab it but I suck at guitar)

would work. (In pitch class work octave is not so important.)

Also, the Wiki leaves out the fact that sometimes a G is added (sometimes augmented to G#). Sometimes, the D is omitted for the G, or the D is altered as well (Sharp or Flat). It sounds a lot more 'mystic' with the G#.

My favorite quartal harmony is E-A#-D#-A(natural)-D(natural)-G#. I did a quartet based on that and won some scholarship money from my school.

Dissonant quartal harmonies are cool.


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: tomk]
    #3870246 - 03/04/05 11:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

the voicing I posted is the exact chord notated in the wiki entry. I figured thats what he was asking for and didn't bother transcribing to E or inverting. but yeah, it's the same shape all down the fretboard. 000312 works, if you want E in the bass of the chord in the link, inversions/different voicings sound different. I think the entry makes it pretty obvious you can start on any note though, by giving the interval makeup.

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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: spores]
    #3870840 - 03/05/05 12:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Ohh, DH, I wasn't responding directly to you, more to the shitty wiki article. I didn't mean to sound like I was dissing you.

There is so much theory they leave out. For example, the mystic chord is also a scale (C-D-E-F#-A-Bb). It's inversion at the tritone (take the intervals going up and go down instead, so from C it goes M2-M2-M2-M2-m3-m2 all ascending, so go up a tritone, to F# and descend the intervals) differs by one pitch (G#-A-C-D-E-F#).

To Stefan - The way to get the chord in your ear is not to play it, but to improvise over that scale and it's inversions and transpositions. So instead of trying to nail the chord, do something like get a bass motif going C-F#-Bb-F#-D and then add notes from the scale. Tension is created by altering which of the intervals within the set is emphisized, so when you want to create tension, focus on the tritone relationships and when you want to releave it focus on the consonant ones. So, you might have two string instruments playing Bb-E diads over that bass, then have one of the strings start going E to A, then highlight the E-A when the base shifts to, say, eliminate the dimished fourth (move the F# to a G). This sort of writing is what the 'mystic' sound of the chord comes from, not just playing it like a block chord. Because the same pitches will be used, and their emphasis patterns changed, it creates a unique sound that 'mystic' might describe even though the block chord sounds, eh. To get an idea of the sound of the mystic chord, listening to some scriaban would be a good start, late piano sonatas especially.


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: tomk]
    #3872468 - 03/05/05 12:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

interesting, I had never heard of this before.  thanks for the details though, I'll have to play around with it.  I miss taking music theory classes and learning about cool stuff like this :frown:.

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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: tomk]
    #3872485 - 03/05/05 12:32 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for reminding me that tomk. I know a chord can sound very different if you use it in combination with let's say a different scale.
I would like to know more about this and maybe you can explain some of it because you seem to know quite some music theory :cool:

lets say when you have a standard major chord schema in A (I, IV, V) what kind of scales can you play over it? and can you only play a scale in the key of the chords (A in this case) or also in different keys?


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: stefan]
    #3872527 - 03/05/05 12:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not tomk, but at a glance, you could either play over the whole thing in Amaj, or do the jazzy thing and switch keys with the chord prog., going from A to D to E, or the corresponding blues scales if you wanna be bluesy. both major and minor pentatonics work too.  you could also play something from the G# diminished scale over the E chord, or E myxolydian if you used the V7.  there are a few other possibilities too, but those are the most obvious to me, just stick to emphasizing the chord tones and you'll be good :smile:.

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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: spores]
    #3872595 - 03/05/05 01:02 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

ok, thanks for explaining


I know the major scale and the pentatonic scale(min amd maj; same fingersetting) and I found the both very usefull. Maybe because these are the most commonly used scales in western music?

But I want to learn more... what would be the most usefull scale to learn next to these? maybe harmonic minor? give me some suggestions and why they it be usefull. :laugh:


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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: stefan]
    #3872705 - 03/05/05 01:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

hrmm, I don't really know, it depends what you're gonna be playing.  harmonic minor is useful in classical music, some ethnic music and metal.  other than that I don't really hear it used melodically all that much.  melodic minor is good to know for classical and jazz.  modes are fun to play around with and useful in a lot of different settings, i.e. playing over a i-IV7 (like Am-D7) progression with the A dorian mode (G major starting on A) gives you a nice spanish kind of sound, like oye como va by santana, heh.  phrygian dominant is another fave of mine, it's the fifth mode of harmonic minor (a mode of a mode :shocked:, almost).  sounds really good over a V or V7 of the same root. the weird little melody from keep em separated by the offspring is just the first few notes of the phrygian dominant scale.  also, hungarian minor is another nice one, it works good in a metal or ethnic kind of setting, it's just harmonic minor with a #4. 

the blues scale is of course a must-know for any guitarist :wink:.

diminished, augmented and whole tone scales have a weird, almost atonal character and are kind of tricky to figure out how to use, but they have a unique sound to them.

so yeah, how useful any of this is to you depends what you're interested in doing with it.  definitely play around with the major modes though, if you haven't.

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Re: Can anyone play the Mystic chord / Synthetic chord? [Re: spores]
    #3872811 - 03/05/05 02:20 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Keep playing aroud with the pantatonic scales. There are a bunch of variations on them andI have foudn that you can solo easily on almost anything if you play the pentatonic of that key.


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