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Offlinezahudulallah
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Gays in the military
    #3857664 - 03/02/05 04:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What's the big deal?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857709 - 03/02/05 04:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

there might be pecker play in the foxhole....amongst other holes.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857719 - 03/02/05 04:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Personally I would prefer that guy watching my ass is not actually watching my ass.

On the other hand...Someone that's gay may not let anything happen to me if he's sweet for me.  :wink:


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Rono]
    #3857727 - 03/02/05 04:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Rono said:
Personally I would prefer that guy watching my ass is not actually watching my ass.

On the other hand...Someone that's gay may not let anything happen to me if he's sweet for me.  :wink:




Yes because with bullets flying and bombs exploding, they only want to feel you up? :rolleyes:


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: unbeliever]
    #3857729 - 03/02/05 04:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently my sarcasm is lost on some...


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Rono]
    #3857745 - 03/02/05 04:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Rono said:
Apparently my sarcasm is lost on some...




or just juvenile and inappropriate?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857770 - 03/02/05 04:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It can affect morale. Most strait men ARE NOT flattered when approached by gay men - many get down right hostile. Strait boys just out of high school with raging testosterone are put through military brainwashing and trained to kill without remorse. Take any dislike directed at homosexuals in the civilian world and multiply it by 100. Now get some gay guy trying to pick up on strait soldiers and what do you have? In the navy (for instance), gay men inadvertently 'fall overboard' when out at sea.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: unbeliever]
    #3857786 - 03/02/05 04:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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or just juvenile and inappropriate?




Probably...your point?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3857790 - 03/02/05 04:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well, that would really only apply to gay men stupid enough to hit on straight guys.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Silversoul]
    #3857809 - 03/02/05 05:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In my experience, plenty of gay men hit on strait guys.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Silversoul]
    #3857810 - 03/02/05 05:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There was this dude that was found to be gay in the unit I served in prior to deployment. Every body found out about it. His commander was going to let him stay but the soldier told his commander that he was already horribly picked on and that he might not be very stable in iraq if every one kept making fun of him. So he was discharged. We were thinking he made up the being gay thing to get out but we don't know.
In the military, they want tight-knit groups of people, the gay person might be seen as an outsider because of other people's prejudices. People may feel uncomfortable living with, undressing, or showering with a gay man.
Progeopax hit it on the nail, people's prejudices.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857825 - 03/02/05 05:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Frankly it's simple bigotry.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3857844 - 03/02/05 05:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
It can affect morale. Most strait men ARE NOT flattered when approached by gay men - many get down right hostile. Strait boys just out of high school with raging testosterone are put through military brainwashing and trained to kill without remorse. Take any dislike directed at homosexuals in the civilian world and multiply it by 100. Now get some gay guy trying to pick up on strait soldiers and what do you have? In the navy (for instance), gay men inadvertently 'fall overboard' when out at sea.




Do you honestly think gay men hit on straight men.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857855 - 03/02/05 05:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you honestly think gay men hit on straight men.



Yes...without a doubt.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3857867 - 03/02/05 05:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
In my experience, plenty of gay men hit on strait guys.




I call bullshit. I'm gay and no one touches that with a 20 foot pole. Gay men meet other gay men within the spectrum of the gay community. Just a bullshit stereotype that homosexuals are sex fiends.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Rono]
    #3857871 - 03/02/05 05:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Don't flatter yourself.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857883 - 03/02/05 05:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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zahudulallah said:
Frankly it's simple bigotry.




:thumbup:

Same sort of mentality as a century or so ago with black people. "I don't want a black person serving in my unit!" "Why not?" "...He's black!"


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3857927 - 03/02/05 05:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


In my experience, plenty of gay men hit on strait guys.

Really?  So, you've been hitting on straight guys then?

I'm sorry...you left yourself open for that one.

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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857931 - 03/02/05 05:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't flatter yourself.




no need to...I'm talking from personal experience.
I can't help being attractive to chicks and gay men... :smirk:


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Rono]
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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3857996 - 03/02/05 05:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've personally been to a few raves where gay guys hit on me. It's happened to others as well. In fact, many of the hate crimes committed against gays are situations where the gay guy hits on the straight guy, so you can't say it doesn't happen.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858006 - 03/02/05 05:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


Frankly it's simple bigotry.


Yes, it is bigotry. And I support this bigotry completely. Here's why:

1. A military keeps a nation safe. The security and safety of citizens and a nation depends upon the effectiveness of their military.

2. Because of the vital role of a military, its effectiveness is more important than any progressiveness or equality that certain people or groups want. The military is not an institution for social experimentation. The first priority is to make a nation's military work, the second priority is to try to insert progressiveness into the institution. Survival and defense is more important than equality.

3. There are too many people who hate gays or who are uncomfortable around gays. By allowing gay people to serve openly you will hurt morale which will hurt military effectiveness.

4. I would be worried about people getting "sidetracked" from their duties in a combat zone if there were romantic feelings amongst certain soldiers.

5. I don't have anything against gay people at all. But, I realize that other people do. Because of that, I don't want gay people in the military.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Silversoul]
    #3858023 - 03/02/05 05:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Deal with it and move on. Imagine if every woman got very pissed off at EVERY guy that hit on her. Imagine if a straight guy hits on a girl...that girl doesn't (usually) get enraged and commit hate crimes against men. Men seem to take a gay guy hitting on them as an affront to their dignity...somehow it makes them less of a man?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Silversoul]
    #3858025 - 03/02/05 05:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If you're going to rave, one should expect that.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: dblaney]
    #3858034 - 03/02/05 05:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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dblaney18 said:
Deal with it and move on. Imagine if every woman got very pissed off at EVERY guy that hit on her. Imagine if a straight guy hits on a girl...that girl doesn't (usually) get enraged and commit hate crimes against men. Men seem to take a gay guy hitting on them as an affront to their dignity...somehow it makes them less of a man?



Did I say I got upset about it? No. But some guys do, and it does put gays in danger.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Silversoul]
    #3858049 - 03/02/05 05:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Did I say I got upset about it? No. But some guys do, and it does put gays in danger.




Well that's fair enough.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858062 - 03/02/05 05:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

1. A military keeps a nation safe. The security and safety of citizens and a nation depends upon the effectiveness of their military.

And to say that gays are ineffective is false, and prejudice.

2. Because of the vital role of a military, its effectiveness is more important than any progressiveness or equality that certain people or groups want. The military is not an institution for social experimentation. The first priority is to make a nation's military work, the second priority is to try to insert progressiveness into the institution. Survival and defense is more important than equality.

This is just blatant mysticism. It's the same flimsy circular logic used to oppress gays in other aspects of liberties

3. There are too many people who hate gays or who are uncomfortable around gays. By allowing gay people to serve openly you will hurt morale which will hurt military effectiveness.

You're getting desperate now. :lol:

4. I would be worried about people getting "sidetracked" from their duties in a combat zone if there were romantic feelings amongst certain soldiers.

How effective would you really be in the military, Randall? It was you who once begged for a Shroomery chick to have sex with you.

5. I don't have anything against gay people at all. But, I realize that other people do. Because of that, I don't want gay people in the military.

So, if a bunch of people in a unit hate blacks, the lone black guy should be discharged?  :rolleyes:


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858094 - 03/02/05 05:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


And to say that gays are ineffective is false, and prejudice.

I never said they were.


2. Because of the vital role of a military, its effectiveness is more important than any progressiveness or equality that certain people or groups want. The military is not an institution for social experimentation. The first priority is to make a nation's military work, the second priority is to try to insert progressiveness into the institution. Survival and defense is more important than equality.


This is just blatant mysticism. It's the same flimsy circular logic used to oppress gays in other aspects of liberties

I don't want to suppress anybody's liberties.  But, I think the effectiveness of a military is more important than whether or not gays can openly serve.  Survival is more important than progressiveness.


3. There are too many people who hate gays or who are uncomfortable around gays. By allowing gay people to serve openly you will hurt morale which will hurt military effectiveness.


You're getting desperate now.

I am not getting desperate.  As can be evidenced by the uproar over gay marriage in America, a LOT of Americans do not like the homosexual lifestyle.  That means that a lot of servicemen DO NOT LIKE the homosexual lifestyle.  How effective do you think military units will be if there is great enmity and discord between soldiers?


How effective would you really be in the military, Randall? It was you who once begged for a Shroomery chick to have sex with you.

At least I'm not a homo.  :smirk:  :crazy2:


5. I don't have anything against gay people at all. But, I realize that other people do. Because of that, I don't want gay people in the military.


So, if a bunch of people in a unit hate blacks, the lone black guy should be discharged? 

Something would need to be done.  Obviously, that unit would not function well.  I'm not saying the black guy should be kicked out though.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858114 - 03/02/05 06:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I call bullshit. I'm gay and no one touches that with a 20 foot pole. Gay men meet other gay men within the spectrum of the gay community. Just a bullshit stereotype that homosexuals are sex fiends.



Please do not lie. You may call bullshit all you want, but you are wrong. I have been hit upon numerous times by gay men. The first time was when I was in high school. I've been approached when working out in a gym (some perv even started whacking his meat while looking at me in the shower at a gym). When I bought my first computer that little Vietnamese guy helping me started complimenting me on my physique and got uncomfortably 'touchy.'. I've been approached at nightclubs, parties, a political convention and even on the street.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858121 - 03/02/05 06:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


I've been approached when working out in a gym (some perv even started whacking his meat while looking at me in the shower at a gym).


:rotfl:


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858132 - 03/02/05 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that was very awkward - I turned my back so I would not see him, then I thought, "what the hell am I doing giving him an ass shot?" I cut my shower short and got the hell out of there.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858147 - 03/02/05 06:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:

I've been approached when working out in a gym (some perv even started whacking his meat while looking at me in the shower at a gym).


:rotfl:




That's the same guy who, if straight, would be wacking off outside the girls locker room or whatever. It has nothing to do with his particular orientation.

Oh and some guy coming up to you to see if you want to flirt is hardly the end of the world. Women have put up with it on a much larger scale for countless centuries. Just say no thank you and 99.9% of people will leave you alone.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858148 - 03/02/05 06:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Grow up.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858158 - 03/02/05 06:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


Prosgeopax said:


Yeah, it was awesome - I gave him a full frontal view of me, then I thought, "what the hell am I doing standing over here when I could be giving him a handjob?"  I cut my shower short and ran the hell over there to him.


:lol:

I just had to do it.  I apologize if it is too OTD'ish for you.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858162 - 03/02/05 06:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

As opposed to growing down?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858165 - 03/02/05 06:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No worries.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858173 - 03/02/05 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

But seriously....I have been hit on by three gay dudes in my life. None of them did anything disgusting or overly weird, but I was still uncomfortable.

It sounds like some people here had to deal with much more aggressive gays than I did.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858175 - 03/02/05 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I never said they were.


You clearly implied by referring to the "effectiveness" of a military.

don't want to suppress anybody's liberties. But, I think the effectiveness of a military is more important than whether or not gays can openly serve. Survival is more important than progressiveness.

Do you know what mysticism means?

I am not getting desperate. As can be evidenced by the uproar over gay marriage in America, a LOT of Americans do not like the homosexual lifestyle. That means that a lot of servicemen DO NOT LIKE the homosexual lifestyle. How effective do you think military units will be if there is great enmity and discord between soldiers?

See above.

At least I'm not a homo.

And you're white too! What luck!

Something would need to be done. Obviously, that unit would not function well. I'm not saying the black guy should be kicked out though.

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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858181 - 03/02/05 06:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

As opposed to immaturity.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858189 - 03/02/05 06:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Please tell me what I stated that shows immaturity. Your inability to accept the truth is more a sign of immaturity than anything I have stated in this thread.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858207 - 03/02/05 06:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Your puerile phobia of homos.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858217 - 03/02/05 06:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


I never said they (gays) were (inneffective).


You clearly implied by referring to the "effectiveness" of a military.

No, I didn't. I think effectiveness would be reduced not by the gay person's abilities, but by the discrimination and hatred they would experience. What happens to openly gay kids in high school? They get beat up and ridiculed. What do you think would happen to openly gay people in the macho environment of the military?

I stand by my assertion that openly gay people would (through no fault of their own) cause discord in the ranks. All of the people who don't like gays would cause problems and reduce effectiveness.


Something would need to be done. Obviously, that unit would not function well. I'm not saying the black guy should be kicked out though.


Then what are you saying?

Integration of an unpopular ethnic, cultural, or sexual group into the military might cause problems. This integration should only happen when it can be assured that it will work and that the mass majority of people will not raise a big stink about it.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858226 - 03/02/05 06:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Please tell me what I stated that shows immaturity. Your inability to accept the truth is more a sign of immaturity than anything I have stated in this thread.




Telling a story about accidently eating maggoty bread at the dinner table may be "truth" but it is immature and inappropriate. Not to mention I doubt the veracity of your story anyway. I suspect he was probably washing up and your homophobic brain made up the rest.


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    #3858237 - 03/02/05 06:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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    #3858239 - 03/02/05 06:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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    #3858243 - 03/02/05 06:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


Your puerile phobia of homos.

Well, at least I don't have a phobia of homos.  Come here and give me a big kiss Zahud.....  :heartpump:  :flowers:


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    #3858251 - 03/02/05 06:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

RandalFlagg, please explain how the military should go about handling a situation where a black soldier is subjected to bigotry.


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    #3858255 - 03/02/05 06:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


Seperate but equal is bullshit, I hope you realize that.

I never said anything about seperate but equal. I am talking about what needs to be done (and what needs to be avoided) when it comes to building an effective fighting force which is necessary to safeguard a nation.


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    #3858265 - 03/02/05 06:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Your puerile phobia of homos.

Well, at least I don't have a phobia of homos.  Come here and give me a big kiss Zahud.....  :heartpump:  :flowers:




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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858277 - 03/02/05 06:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


RandalFlagg, please explain how the military should go about handling a situation where a black soldier is subjected to bigotry.

Racism has been effectively combated enough to make it a negligable threat when it comes to military effectiveness. Having the races mix when it comes to activities is pretty much accepted. Homosexuality is not.

Therefore, I think it would be possible to chastise the offending racists. It would not be possible to chastise offending homophobes because there would be so damn many of them in the military.


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    #3858285 - 03/02/05 06:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What kind of drugs are you on? I have no phobias. I was merely relating my experiences. Please provide a quote of any of my statements that exhibits a phobia. Otherwise, please refrain from making silly statements about those you know nothing of (unless intended as a joke).


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    #3858301 - 03/02/05 06:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:

Your puerile phobia of homos.

Well, at least I don't have a phobia of homos.  Come here and give me a big kiss Zahud.....  :heartpump:  :flowers:




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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858310 - 03/02/05 06:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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RandalFlagg, please explain how the military should go about handling a situation where a black soldier is subjected to bigotry.

Racism has been effectively combated enough to make it a negligable threat when it comes to military effectiveness. Having the races mix when it comes to activities is pretty much accepted. Homosexuality is not.

Therefore, I think it would be possible to chastise the offending racists. It would not be possible to chastise offending homophobes because there would be so damn many of them in the military.




So, at first you acknowledge the situation at hand - then you deny it. I'm asking you again Randall, in the event a black person is subjected to bigotry, what should be done?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858319 - 03/02/05 06:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What kind of drugs are you on? I have no phobias. I was merely relating my experiences. Please provide a quote of any of my statements that exhibits a phobia. Otherwise, please refrain from making silly statements about those you know nothing of (unless intended as a joke).




You have a phobia of homosexuals at best.


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    #3858353 - 03/02/05 06:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Telling a story about accidently eating maggoty bread at the dinner table may be "truth" but it is immature and inappropriate.



Well, maggots have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. That you and zahudulallah resort to labeling others immature because of statements that you and he cannot handle displays YOUR immaturity.

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Not to mention I doubt the veracity of your story anyway.



So, your opinion is worthless.

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I suspect he was probably washing up and your homophobic brain made up the rest.



Typical immaturity of the PC crowd. Call someone 'homophobic' because their experiences don't fit with your naive view of the world.


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    #3858354 - 03/02/05 06:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:

RandalFlagg, please explain how the military should go about handling a situation where a black soldier is subjected to bigotry.

Racism has been effectively combated enough to make it a negligable threat when it comes to military effectiveness. Having the races mix when it comes to activities is pretty much accepted. Homosexuality is not.

Therefore, I think it would be possible to chastise the offending racists. It would not be possible to chastise offending homophobes because there would be so damn many of them in the military.




So, at first you acknowledge the situation at hand - then you deny it. I'm asking you again Randall, in the event a black person is subjected to bigotry, what should be done?




Didn't you pick this up from my post? The offenders should be punished.

The problem is there are many more homophobes than racists. The military establishment can bring the smackdown when it comes to racism....I don't think it would be able to when it came to homophobia. It is just too rampant.

Imagine trying to integrate blacks and the Confederate army back in the 1800's. It would not have worked.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858382 - 03/02/05 06:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What's wrong with punishing homophobes the same way as racists?


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    #3858385 - 03/02/05 06:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You have a phobia of homosexuals at best.



I have no phobias. You however have an inablity to read another's words without projecting simplistic emotion driven prejudices.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858401 - 03/02/05 06:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Imagine trying to integrate blacks and the Confederate army back in the 1800's. It would not have worked.




Yes, that definitely would not have worked. However, there are without a doubt ways to combat the growing homophobia present in our society and military. Education, scapegoats (although I have my qualms with scapegoating people), more education, clear punishments and regulations, etc. The civil rights movement was able to effectively change the vast majority of people's minds. Who's to say that another such movement would fail?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858403 - 03/02/05 06:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What's wrong with punishing homophobes the same way as racists?




Nothing. There is no real difference. Both come from fear and ignorance. Though I would say homophobia is more of a moral fear wheras racism is.. social? political? They are a bit different in that aspect, but ultimately they're ideologies of hatred and as such are something be held in contempt.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858405 - 03/02/05 06:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Please do not lie. You may call bullshit all you want, but you are wrong. I have been hit upon numerous times by gay men. The first time was when I was in high school. I've been approached when working out in a gym (some perv even started whacking his meat while looking at me in the shower at a gym). When I bought my first computer that little Vietnamese guy helping me started complimenting me on my physique and got uncomfortably 'touchy.'. I've been approached at nightclubs, parties, a political convention and even on the street.




You're a homophobe, bud. I'm not saying you all-out hate gays, but you have a phobia of homosexuals that is fairly evident.


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    #3858436 - 03/02/05 06:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You're a homophobe, bud. I'm not saying you all-out hate gays, but you have a phobia of homosexuals that is fairly evident.



What? Because I relate my experiences, somehow I am phobic of homosexuals? That is REALLY stupid. You have to be a complete moron to read that into any statement I have made. Please stop building idiotic emotion driven models of those you know nothing about. I will now label you a 'rational phobe' because you are apparently afraid of rational thought and rational discourse.


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    #3858444 - 03/02/05 06:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


What's wrong with punishing homophobes the same way as racists?

There are too many homophobes in American society. What the hell is the point of allowing a certain group to enter the military if a good 40-60% of the current members are disgusted by, fear, or outright hate this particular group? It would destroy morale in the military.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858450 - 03/02/05 06:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It's equal to that of someone who distrusts black people due to "experience".


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858455 - 03/02/05 06:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What's wrong with punishing homophobes the same way as racists?

There are too many homophobes in American society.  What the hell is the point of allowing a certain group to enter the military if a good 40-60% of the current members are disgusted by, fear, or outright hate this particular group?  It would destroy morale in the military.




40-60%? :lol:

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    #3858461 - 03/02/05 06:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


The civil rights movement was able to effectively change the vast majority of people's minds. Who's to say that another such movement would fail?

If such a movement succeeds, hatred of homosexuals goes down dramatically, and people don't care about other people's sexuality, then by all means let gays into the military. Open homosexuality would not hurt morale then. But, in today's world it would.


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    #3858482 - 03/02/05 07:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.lmfct.org/news_HRC_Gallup_Poll.htm


Should Homosexuality Be Legal?

Gallup first asked about the legality of homosexuality in 1977, with a basic question worded as follows: "Do you think homosexual relations between consenting adults should or should not be legal?" At that point, Americans were evenly divided on the issue, as 43% said yes, 43% said no, and 14% were not sure. In Gallup's recent Values and Beliefs poll, conducted May 5-7, the public has clearly become more moderate toward homosexuality than was the case two decades earlier: 60% of Americans now say that homosexual relations should be legal, 35% not legal, with 5% unsure.



Homosexuality as an Acceptable Lifestyle

Indeed, a sizable percentage of Americans continue to frown on the homosexual lifestyle. In 1982, Gallup distinguished between Americans' personal feelings about homosexuality from their opinions about its legality by asking this question: "Do you feel that homosexuality should be considered an acceptable alternative lifestyle or not?" At that time, just 34% said yes. Public acceptance on this measure has increased incrementally since that point, and our latest poll shows that a small majority, 54%, now agrees that homosexuality should be considered an acceptable lifestyle. Still, that leaves a substantial minority of 43% who disagree.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858533 - 03/02/05 07:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In the MILITARY Randall. I want a link regarding supposed bigotry in the MILITARY.


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    #3858536 - 03/02/05 07:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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It's equal to that of someone who distrusts black people due to "experience".



Do you have a congenital defect that will not allow you to think rationally? WHAT is equal to that of someone who distrusts black people due to "experience"?


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    #3858543 - 03/02/05 07:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How is it any different from your distrust of homosexuals because of "experience"?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858557 - 03/02/05 07:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

WTF are you talking about? Please quote me where I ever stated that I distrust homosexuals.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858561 - 03/02/05 07:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


In the MILITARY Randall. I want a link regarding supposed bigotry in the MILITARY.

It is not possible to provide data to show that because gays are not currently allowed into the U.S. military.

The links I provided show that in America, there is a sizeable distaste for homosexuals and the homosexual lifestyle.  Since military personel are drawn from the citizenry, it is safe to assume that a lot of soldiers do not like gays.

Again, I will use the analogy of the high school.  What happens when a person is openly gay in high school?  They get made fun of and beat up.  The people in the military are not that much older than high school age kids.  It is safe to assume that they would act in the same immature way.

By the way Zahud, you can lick my love pump whenever you want to...

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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858600 - 03/02/05 07:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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zahudulallah said:
You're a homophobe, bud. I'm not saying you all-out hate gays, but you have a phobia of homosexuals that is fairly evident.



What?  Because I relate my experiences, somehow I am phobic of homosexuals?  That is REALLY stupid.  You have to be a complete moron to read that into any statement I have made.  Please stop building idiotic emotion driven models of those you know nothing about.  I will now label you a 'rational phobe' because you are apparently afraid of rational thought and rational discourse.




So what was it that you were implying by "experience"? :lol:


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3858694 - 03/02/05 07:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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zahudulallah said:
So what was it that you were implying by "experience"? :lol:



You have real trouble following the flow of a discussion, don't you?  You made statements to the effect that gays only hit up on other people that they know to be gay.  Which is complete bullshit - that's why I brought up my experiences, to show that you are spewing complete bullshit.  You continue to spew bullshit with your insistence that somehow those who make statements you disagree with are homophobic, not by any signs of them exhibiting fear nor any signs of hate, but merely because they call you on your bullshit.  Then you come up with even more unfounded crap that I somehow distrust homosexuals because of my experiences.  You have yet to quote me where I exhibited any fear or distrust of anyone because of their sexual orientation. 

Please stop making up idiotic lies about those you know nothing about.

Please stop the simplistic labeling with PC pejoratives - they are only a means of bypassing rational thought and do absolutely nothing to increase understanding.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #3858725 - 03/02/05 07:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hiding something?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3858827 - 03/02/05 07:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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RandalFlagg, please explain how the military should go about handling a situation where a black soldier is subjected to bigotry.

Racism has been effectively combated enough to make it a negligable threat when it comes to military effectiveness. Having the races mix when it comes to activities is pretty much accepted. Homosexuality is not.

Therefore, I think it would be possible to chastise the offending racists. It would not be possible to chastise offending homophobes because there would be so damn many of them in the military.



Racism was still a big problem when the military was integrated, but it still got done, because these guys have to follow orders, whether they like it or not.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Silversoul]
    #3859186 - 03/02/05 09:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Gays in the military will come when people are more accepting of homosexuality. If I'm not mistaken some other countries allow homosexuals in their military.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3861257 - 03/03/05 06:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The whole arguement against homosexuals in the military is stupid and based on homophobia or prejudice. Does anybody honestly think the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy creates a better military atmosphere and better morale? You can't say homos can't be allowed into the military b/c they might hit on men and then continue to support women in the military because that just as well could be a distraction to the men or each other under the same logic.


Do people think there aren't a bunch of homosexuals or bisexuals in the military right now? I mean, a bunch of dudes sleeping, showering, and eating together in barracks for months at a time, creating a trusting brotherhood together where they lay there life on the line for each other and when they DO get leave they still fucking hang out together wherever they go in those shithole rural military towns where the men outnumber the women. Sounds pretty gay to me.


Also, by allowing homosexuals in the military do you really think those who would bother to sign up are going to show up and have a big 'ol gay orgy? Its still the military and people have to abide by military rules gay or not. If somebody if hating on another soldier because he is gay (or for any other reason) do you guys really have that little respect for military discipline where its going to be a huge issue? Tons of poor, uneducated people of the black, white, and brown race go into the army chalk full of prejudices against each other. They seem to work things out. A few Things will happen at first when a few bigots can't break out of there homophobic fears. But the fact is soldiers enjoy their job and if it comes down to having it or losing it over some other dude's sexuality I think 99.999% would rather continue being a mercenary and just deal.


This is really a much bigger issue than it should be.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3861428 - 03/03/05 09:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

To quote Chris Rock... if they want to fight and die, let them, b/c i sure as hell am not. And furthter from Dennis Leary, anyone in the military should be allowed to freedom to f**k whoever the hell they want, men, women, commanding officers, watermelons.. who gives a shit. Let them get their rocks off and keep an even head before they go into battle.

Don't ask, don't tell? No problem. If/when a draft ever occurs, believe me.. i'm sexuall harassing every male i see when i go to sign up.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3862548 - 03/03/05 03:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Not even going to bother reading the whole thread. But if it's such an issue, give them seperate barracks. And give them different colored fatigues so that we can denote who the "outsiders" are. The primary issue with any group conflict is that they are made to be outsiders and are further differentiated by their belief system.

Shit, perhaps we can do the same thing with religious views while we're at it, Lets put crosses on our fatigues to imply and further differentiate denominations... Better yet, let's force everyone to have a Tattoo for every meme that they subscribe to, that way we know exactly what type of person they are and can argue, cast judgement, and shun them on the basis of their tattoo so that we can tell a person's belief and judge them like a cattle herder knows his cattle on the basis of his "brand". Shit like this has to stop.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3863075 - 03/03/05 04:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Gays are allowed in the UK military now

Royal Navy to promote gay rights


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #3863452 - 03/03/05 05:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Or the Muslims currently serving in the military.


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3863492 - 03/03/05 05:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What i find atrocious was a while back several homosexuals working for the US military were kicked out once their sexuality became known.

What made these individuals so unique was that they were excellent translators and bi-lingual between English and various dialects of Arabic. Something we truly needed when they were kicked out, and something we truly need now. Is communication with the people we're trying to liberate less important than a person's sexuality? A person who has pledged their lives to defending this nation?


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Re: Gays in the military [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3863619 - 03/03/05 06:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Evidently it's the wrong nation to pledge one's life too.


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