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shroom_cap
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OD on acid
#3852623 - 03/01/05 02:46 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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how much acid would you have to take to over dose?
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Burrahobbit
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I've *heard* that you can't die of an OD on acid, only go bring on latent psychological problems, like schizophrenia. Not sure if it's true at all.
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Burrahobbit
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Y'know what, just go to erowid.org, that's where you'll find the best info.
Edited by Burrahobbit (03/01/05 02:49 PM)
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esin
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Any amount that you personally can't handle.
If you meant lethal OD, well, never happened and it ain't gonna happen soon
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Re: OD on acid [Re: esin]
#3852738 - 03/01/05 03:03 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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yea i ment lethal death kinda over dose
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discoabe
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I just did a quick search and the LD 50 of LSD seems to be 30-45mg/kg. I weigh 100kg so that 3000-4500mg of LSD to kill me 50% of the time.
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a select group of people eat plain acid crystal, enough for many, many doses. I think it's fair to say LSD is physically very safe.
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dblaney
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LSD is definitely one of the safest drugs known to man. It takes a dose several hundred thousand or even million times that of an average dose to put you in any physical danger.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: dblaney]
#3852868 - 03/01/05 03:25 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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The only real danger is someone telling you what you're taking is acid when it's not-rat poison, and the like. While you run this risk with any other drug, I've heard that it's a recurring problem in the LSD market, moreso than other drugs. Can anyone here comfirm that?
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Well, it would be very easy to get away with selling bunk hits, because it is easy to get ahold of blotter paper and line it yourself, but to lace it with anything lethal is just straight up evil. It has never happened around here, but I have seen some hits that smelled like Raid bug killer. Fucking douche bags!
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Re: OD on acid [Re: dblaney]
#3852969 - 03/01/05 03:47 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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LSD is definitely one of the safest drugs known to man.
Not really true. The truth is that COMPARED to other drugs it is among the LEAST TOXIC to the body itself. The mind is a different story.
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dblaney
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Yes, I suppose you're right.
But certainly you would agree that physically it's one of the safest drugs known to man?
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Re: OD on acid [Re: dblaney]
#3853322 - 03/01/05 04:47 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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Well, the thing is...LSD is psychedelic (ie mind-manifesting / a substance that primarily effects the human mind). Because its primary impact is psychedelic and not physical, I would hold off from saying anything beneficial about toxicity levels in the body.
Here's why: People have rough times in their mind while on this substance. Most people don't have rough times, but yet some do. So we really need to keep it in the context of "when is it too much on the mind?", not the body.
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dblaney
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Certainly, but I would think there is a distinction to be made between psychological impact, and physiological impact. All psychedelics have the capability to bring latent psychological disorders to the surface, but they still don't affect the physical body. For instance you won't suddenly be walking down the street and have your arm fall off.
Granted though, it certainly would not be ideal end up like Syd Barrett or in some mental institution for the rest of your days.
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Some kid I went to school with went to a rave and bought an vile of LSD. The vile broke in his pocket and absorbed into his skin while he was dancing. Last I heard was that he was in the psyche ward convinced that he was a glass of orange juice. Wouldn't even sleep laying down because he was scared of spilling. Any time nurses came with a pen he started screaming because he thought it was a straw and the nurse was going to drink him.... so yeah. I'm not sure of the complete truth to these details, but I know I still see trails and have flashbacks from one night when I took way too much, so I don't completely doubt this. Be safe.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Woland]
#3853374 - 03/01/05 04:58 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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Glass of orange juice? Come on man, someone is lying to you. That's one of the most wide spared urban legend about LSD there is. Everyone has a afoaf that took too much acid and thought they where a glass of orange juice. It's like the UL about some kids eating acid and staring into the sun.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Woland]
#3853386 - 03/01/05 05:00 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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That is DEFINITELY a myth, one sec and I'll find you an explanation.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Woland]
#3853406 - 03/01/05 05:04 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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I have heard that glass of OJ story myself. I am gonna have to say that's an urban legend. But my neighbor did LSD heavily when he was in SF long time ago and he says he sees weird patterns all the time in shadows and the grain of wood also he hears stuff all the time now and that it was caused by him abusing LSD. Just what he tells me, may be that he wants a to scare a 19 year old away from drugs.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: gdman]
#3853409 - 03/01/05 05:04 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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gdman said: It's like the UL about some kids eating acid and staring into the sun.
DUDE! What are you talking about? Like, one of my friends totally took a couple grams of 'cid powder and stared at the sun and went completely blind.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: mxdrk]
#3853415 - 03/01/05 05:06 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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HPPD can happen to some people, it varies in degree, but it usually isn't really anything that will be an impediment. All psychedelics can cause this.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Woland]
#3853482 - 03/01/05 05:21 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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Woland said: Some kid I went to school with went to a rave and bought an vile of LSD. The vile broke in his pocket and absorbed into his skin while he was dancing. Last I heard was that he was in the psyche ward convinced that he was a glass of orange juice. Wouldn't even sleep laying down because he was scared of spilling. Any time nurses came with a pen he started screaming because he thought it was a straw and the nurse was going to drink him.... so yeah. I'm not sure of the complete truth to these details, but I know I still see trails and have flashbacks from one night when I took way too much, so I don't completely doubt this. Be safe.
The "glass of orange juice" must be one of the most prevalent urban legends ever. I've run into it at least a couple times, once in my home town (US) and once in Spain from an Australian girl.
I'm curious about the ld50 listed above. Alot of times, ld50s are determined by animal testing. With acid, there's a good chance that the ld50 is significantly higher than listed.
To my knowlege, nobody has died from an LSD overdose. I read of a case online (not sure whether it's true or not) of a person who snorted crystal LSD thinking that it was coke. He didn't die.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: phi1618]
#3853675 - 03/01/05 06:01 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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I think this happened to Micky Heart's children, while th eband was on stage his two kids found a vila that said "C" or something like that. They had quite the evening, but where ok.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: discoabe]
#3853710 - 03/01/05 06:09 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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discoabe said: I just did a quick search and the LD 50 of LSD seems to be 30-45mg/kg. I weigh 100kg so that 3000-4500mg of LSD to kill me 50% of the time.
LD50 for humans would be even higher. Your looking at a dose thats inconceivable really. It is one of the safest drugs PHYSICALLY that exists. However it can be dangerous to a fragile mind which is another story altogether.
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Right, 3000mg = 30,000 doses at 100ug, a normal person dose..1-2 hits. The standard high dose of acid is a ten strip..1mg, Tops. So the only way you could physically overdose is if you eat an ungodly amount of crystal, which you can't get..if you rounded up a city's worth of sheets and ate them all before you fell out of your body. You wouldn't get past sheet two if you tried... LSD is safe!
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Woland]
#3853990 - 03/01/05 07:05 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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Seriously I've heard that retarded story a million times. Give it up.
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Legoulash
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The most dangerous thing while on LSD is thinking you can fly.. But if your already experianced you should be able to handle yourself.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: phi1618]
#3854893 - 03/01/05 10:47 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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Wolandsaid:
To my knowlege, nobody has died from an LSD overdose. I read of a case online (not sure whether it's true or not) of a person who snorted crystal LSD thinking that it was coke. He didn't die.
Check erowid, i'm too lazy to right now, but someone injected some LSD crystals thinking it was meth and died....the only case.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: discoabe]
#3855049 - 03/01/05 11:37 PM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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discoabe said: I just did a quick search and the LD 50 of LSD seems to be 30-45mg/kg. I weigh 100kg so that 3000-4500mg of LSD to kill me 50% of the time.
If you were a rat.
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#3855361 - 03/02/05 12:49 AM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Woland]
#3855763 - 03/02/05 03:48 AM (19 years, 22 days ago) |
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Veter
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Frappy]
#3861125 - 03/03/05 02:02 AM (19 years, 21 days ago) |
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I cant believe people tell that story about the vile and the orange juice...who would ever believe that garbage?
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Veter]
#3862654 - 03/03/05 01:51 PM (19 years, 20 days ago) |
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Veter said: I cant believe people tell that story about the vile and the orange juice...who would ever believe that garbage?
Apparantly the people who tell it.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: discoabe]
#3898103 - 03/10/05 02:20 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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discoabe said: I just did a quick search and the LD 50 of LSD seems to be 30-45mg/kg. I weigh 100kg so that 3000-4500mg of LSD to kill me 50% of the time.
I thin the LD50 is the dose that kills 50% of the population, not you 50% of the time... not being bitchy, just semantics
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The only real danger is someone telling you what you're taking is acid when it's not-rat poison, and the like.
AHAHHHHHH!
It's never rat poison. Please stop believing this nonsense.
(I'm sure someone already pointed this out in the thread, but the more times the better. PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE SILLY URBAN LEGENDS.)
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Phluck]
#3898114 - 03/10/05 02:26 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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About LSD making you go crazy, i've read that the incidenets of people taking LSD and going crazy are just as common as people just going crazy... meaning that people that go crazy after taking LSD probably had a psycological problem already and the trip just put em over the edge. Don't know for sure if this stats are true, but it's what i've read.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Phluck]
#3898122 - 03/10/05 02:30 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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Ok, so this thread contains two of the oldest, and stupidest myths about acid there is.
The orange juice myth, and the rat poison myth. The orange juice one is so pervasive, and so many people have heard it about "a friend of a friend" that it's got all the earmarks of an urban legend. Tack on the fact that psychosis simply isn't like that. People don't start believing they're inanimate objects all of a sudden, and anyone who has any basic knowledge about psychosis would know this.
The rat poison one simply doesn't make a lick of sense. Why the hell would anyone lace acid with rat poison, or sell rat poison as acid? There is no brand of rat poison in existance that will make you trip. It's complete bullshit, and can be debunked using nothing more than common sense.
It's pretty depressing to see such bullshit in these forums. C'mon guys, you're supposed to be interested in drugs... don't you read? Or do you get all your drug info from the burn outs you knew in high school?
Sites like lycaeum.org and erowid.org are full of good, well edited, and informative information. As well as tons of good stories. If you have an actual interest in drugs, you should enjoy reading that stuff.
Also, any decent public library will carry a few books about drugs, why don't you check a few out?
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Phluck]
#3898528 - 03/10/05 03:49 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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acid is less toxic than vitamin C. so i'd say ur not in that much danger. Just don't drink too much orange juice and you should be safe....
strangely enough i heard that orange myth last night for the first time, and my friend said he "knew a guy who..." so i believed him. Man am i gonna bitch him out about that one...
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Phluck]
#3898597 - 03/10/05 03:59 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TOXICITY LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE: 700 NG/KG ORAL-HUMAN TDLO; 2857 NG/KG ORAL-HUMAN TDLO; 857 NG/KG ORAL-HUMAN TDLO; 750 NG/KG INTRAMUSCULAR-HUMAN TDLO; 16 MG/KG INTRAVENOUS-RAT LD50; 50 MG/KG INTRAPERITONEAL-MOUSE LD50; 46 MG/KG INTRAVENOUS-MOUSE LD50; 300 UG/KG INTRAVENOUS-RABBIT LD50; 16 MG/KG SUBCUTANEOUS-GUINEA PIG LD50; 1800 UG/KG ORAL-WILD BIRD LD50; MUTAGENIC EFFECTS DATA (RTECS); REPRODUCTIVE EFFECTS DATA (RTECS). CARCINOGEN STATUS: NONE. LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE IS TOXIC PARENTERALLY. POISONING DUE TO PSYCHOTOMIMETIC AGENTS MAY AFFECT THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. PERSONS WITH EMOTIONAL DISTURBANCES OR ORGANIC BRAIN DISEASE MAY BE AT INCREASED RISK FROM EXPOSURE. CROSS TOLERENCE BETWEEN DIFFERENT PSYCHOTOMIMETIC AGENTS MAY OCCUR. INTERACTIONS WITH MEDICATIONS HAVE BEEN REPORTED. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_data_sheet.shtml some interesting info here i couldnt read it all though the all caps was hurting my eyes
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Gainer]
#3899594 - 03/10/05 07:07 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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As Albert Hoffman(LSD's inventor) has said LD/50's for LSD are inaccurate. They are based on animal LD/50's and then correlated to humans. With LSD it isn't possible to come up with a accurate human LD/50 based on animal LD/50's. I'm not saying that there isn't a human LD/50 ,it's just we will never know it.
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dblaney
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Didn't someone die from taking a gram or two of it once, or did I just imagine reading that?
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Re: OD on acid [Re: dblaney]
#3900266 - 03/10/05 09:43 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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i've heard of people taking more than a gram before, although i can't say i know any of them so that could be fake. But LSD is extremely, extremely non toxic so i doubt that's true (as i said b4, it's less toxic than vitamin C and u get plenty of that)
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Re: OD on acid [Re: dblaney]
#3900693 - 03/10/05 11:28 PM (19 years, 13 days ago) |
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dblaney18 said: Didn't someone die from taking a gram or two of it once, or did I just imagine reading that?
I did an honors thesis on psychedelics in college. I tried to find any cases were someone died from LSD. I even contacted the FDA. The only case I found was the man who IV'd 300mg.. I ordered the full text of the Kentucky medical journal through my campus library. After reading it I can't say he actually died from LSD. He was obviously a poly-drug user. The journal just assumes he died because of the amount of LSD he took, but it concludes there are no physiological symptoms that point to LSD toxicity. Also this man IV'd 300mg. Iv'ing a drug increases it's bioavalability by quite abit. This 300mg. could easily correlate to 2-5 grams of oral LSD. Again since he was a IV drug user(speed) the LSD can't be solely to blame. It may of killed him from physiological toxicity or it may have just triggered cardio/pulmonary complications that already existed. We'll never know because he was not a good case to study.
One thing is for certain. I bet it was a hell of a suprise thinking he was slamming some meth or coke and feeling 300mg. of LSD surging through his veins.
There were a couple of people who tried to eat a gram many years ago on tour. From my understanding they threw quite abit of it up minutes after they ate it.
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so if someone who is well educated in psychedelics takes a crazy amount, say 20,000 mg, they can eventually come off it with a straight head?
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cybrbeast
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Phluck]
#3902519 - 03/11/05 11:57 AM (19 years, 12 days ago) |
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Phluck said: People don't start believing they're inanimate objects all of a sudden, and anyone who has any basic knowledge about psychosis would know this.
On Salvia people often feel like they're an inanimate object. I became my bed once, and my wall. But that only lasts a couple of minutes.
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Phluck said: People don't start believing they're inanimate objects all of a sudden, and anyone who has any basic knowledge about psychosis would know this.
On Salvia people often feel like they're an inanimate object. I became my bed once, and my wall. But that only lasts a couple of minutes.
He's right. I was a product on a shelf for a few moments.
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badchad
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Well, there is a very well written section on acute effects of LSD ingestion in the following paper: The Psychopharmacology of Hallucinogens Abraham, H.D., et al. Neuropsychopharmacology, 14:4 285-298. It's about as good as the recent Nichols review (listed in the how hallucingens work thread)although this one focuses a bit mroe on subjective effects, and is becoming a tad dated. Anyway, I'll give some excerpts altough its a worthy reference to add to your collection as its fairly easy reading.
"Hallucingoens have no withdrawal effects. There are no documented toxic fatalities from LSD use." Although keep in mid this was written in 1995.
Rodents are extremely resistant to it's effects, mice having an LD50 of 150,000 micrograms/kg. Alternatively, an elephant was once killed by injection of 297 mg of LSD (approximately 100 micrograms/kg). This was found in the West et al. reference, 1962. However I can tell you there is some controversy of the killing of the elephant, as "other drugs" were administered in an effort to save it. There is deabte as to how large of a role these drugs played in the elephants death.
In addition to the reference chinacat mentioned above (which I haven't personally read) There is documented evidence of an incidence where chemically pure LSD was mistaken for cocaine at a party and snorted in quantities estimated between 10,000 and 100,0000 micrograms total (Klock et al., 1975)(thats about 0.1-1.0 grams if my math is correct). In this specific instance the individuals suffered from: "mental status changes changes characterized by confusion, hallucinations, and hemorrhage, possibl mediated by antagonism of platelet serotonin function". All recovered. Again, I haven't personally read the Klock reference, so I can't comment any further.
All in all it's difficult to OD. Erowid lists several additional publications. I am interested though, in the fact that whomever lists the references claims that an LD50 IV dose would be greater than that taken by mouth. I tend to disagree (and feel free to enlighten me if you feel otherwise). Since LSD is highly lipid soluble, presuably, when placed in the mouth, it is absorbed through the lining of the mouth. This in effect avoids what the pharmacologist calls "first pass metabolism". Thus, although it may be absorbed quicker, IV administration shouldn't effet the LD50 of LSD (at least not to a degree of 2-3 times). Chinacat, you mentioned you have the reference, do the authors mention this themselves? or was it a conclusion by whomever posted the info on erowid?
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PinballWizard
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puritybinge said: blotter is either good or bunk.
I'm not so sure about this. There are some blotters going around here that I'm almost positive are 5-meo-AMT or some other RC.
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AMT blotter does exist apparently. If you ever see a hit that is bigger than .25"^2, beware. There was a thread dedicated to the math of an AMT dose fitting in a single hit. I think it was realized that it is possible, though not common (if it happens at all). Would usually be >1 hit or a larger blotter. A friend experienced something like this once recently. A trip that took 2 or 3 hours to start, and lasted around 12 i think, w/some stomach discomfort. could just be him freakin out.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: badchad]
#3905849 - 03/12/05 04:02 AM (19 years, 12 days ago) |
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badchad said: There is documented evidence of an incidence where chemically pure LSD was mistaken for cocaine at a party and snorted in quantities estimated between 10,000 and 100,0000 micrograms total ?
Wow... they're expecting a numby white taste and a cocaine feeling, and instead they get strange metalic-tasting crystals... the drip ten minutes later must have been crazy They're just starting to trip, and they taste...something... dripping down their throat. Its definitely not coke, and reminds one of them of the taste of blotter... then it really starts to hit! man what an experience that would be
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Noviseer]
#8326396 - 04/25/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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How the hell could you not tell that it wasn't coke? That's just stupid. As far as an OD on acid it's impossible physically but mentally it's extreemly dangerous. In the drug culture it's always hard to get straight stories but I've heard of someone swallowing a massive amount during a police raid at a Dead show and the problems this poor kid went through at the county jail, having a long lasting detrimental effect in his ability to function in society and with others. Reading saucerful of secrets about Pink Floyd and Syd Barrett thats enough for me to be very careful with how much acid I take. A story of him sitting at a table eating with others and a guy saying that Barrett just looked at him and he knew to pass him the salt without a word being said, isn't a place that I would want to be permanently. He also locked his girlfriend in his room and would slide food under the door for her. And of course he couldn't function in the band or in society and lived out his days living with his mom despite being financially well off. Shrooms are another story, I think you could eat a massive amount of shrooms and that your mind and body would return to normal with no long lasting mental or physical detrimental effects.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: mr.bixby]
#8326458 - 04/25/08 10:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats a 3 year bump there, mr.bixby
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PilzeEssen said: thats a 3 year bump there, mr.bixby
Hahaha, I was reading all of the posts from 2005 and was wondering who was going to be the 2008 post.
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Why are people so convinced massive doses cause you to lose your mind permanently? After ~1-1.5mg you've reached receptor saturation anyway and all you're adding is length and body load. I've watched a friend of mine drink an entire vial, then wash it and drink the wash.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: mr.bixby]
#8326529 - 04/25/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have absolutely %100 bought adulterated blotters that were regular size. Around two years ago me and my ex girlfriend split a sheet of white perforated blotters. after trying a few of them and being confused by the horrible taste I did some research. I am almost positive the blotters contained DOI, and had no LSD on them. The blotters were regular size, and when I told my friends about it friends of friends indicated that these blotters were being widely distributed throughout the city.
The unsettling part is that they were being sold as acid, and DOI can last 30+ hours. I took 2 blotters the night we got them. It was similar to other psychedelics in many ways, and personally I enjoyed the experience, but after 18 hours of tripping I fell asleep at my girlfriends house. When I woke up 4 hours later I found that I was still hallucinating. It took another 8-10 hours to get back to baseline. Not such a nice side effect if you think you are taking LSD.
Another girl I know took one hit at night, and after going home and trying to go to bed, freaked out. She woke her parents up, and started ranting about how triangles were attacking her, and squares were the only safe places. There's some other nasty stories, but you get the point.
I have friends who would pop 5 hits of acid straight up under the impression that "LSD blotters are either bunk, or quality". This is no longer true. Watch out for horrible tasting blotters, they are adulterated with DO(X) chemicals and could really mess some people up with an unexpected 30 hour trip life.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Heffy]
#8326536 - 04/25/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Silly me, I only just realized this thread is 3 years old.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: Heffy]
#8333689 - 04/27/08 10:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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What the hell is DOI? And yes I'm aware that the thread is old, just going with the subject matter and starting it from there. Maybe taking huge doses of LSD doesn't have a detrimental effect on some, it's not like there has been a lot of scientific studies since the 60's about acid. Call me a pussy but I'm afraid of any chemicals in large doses.
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Re: OD on acid [Re: mr.bixby]
#8333709 - 04/27/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: OD on acid [Re: mr.bixby]
#8333766 - 04/27/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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mr.bixby said: Shrooms are another story, I think you could eat a massive amount of shrooms and that your mind and body would return to normal with no long lasting mental or physical detrimental effects.
Guess again man. They work on the nervous system in almost the exact same way. People can get hppd as well as mental problems from mushrooms. I think it is a bit more common with LSD though because the mental effects of LSD are more intricate and convincing.
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